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Duquesne has claimed that the unionization of adjuncts like Margaret Mary would somehow interfere with its mission to inculcate Catholic values among its studen

by gngeal 13y ago

Duquesne has claimed that the unionization of adjuncts like Margaret Mary would somehow interfere with its mission to inculcate Catholic values among its students. I see. So treating old people in this way and leaving them in trouble after you squeeze them out is a part of those "Catholic values"?

winestock 13y ago
Read the next sentence: This would be news to Georgetown University -- one of only two Catholic universities to make U.S. News & World Report's list of top 25 universities -- which just recognized its adjunct professors' union, citing the Catholic Church's social justice teachings, which favor labor unions.
- gngeal 13y ago
  Well, their Catholics are apparently less hypocritical than Duquesne's Catholics. I'm not sure, doesn't this simply reinforce what I was trying to say?
  - msg 13y ago
    The "Catholic values" you criticize and approve of are not "catholic". Forgive the pun. Edit: I see a way to read your statement as saying that Duquesne has a twisted view of Catholic values. Which I could agree with. However there is another reading, not difficult to stumble into, where you are trying to make a general statement about Catholic values, which I could not agree with.
    - guard-of-terra 13y ago
      This just proves that every Catholic is also a man (or woman) perfectly capable of sin and malice, and so we would be pretty happy if every single one of them would stop moralizing forever. Stop thinking that they are more right and more good just because; and behaving after that. Where can one unsubscribe from ever hearing of how religion tells us how to do good and from ever facing any religion-based opinion? Because I feel I still live in the medieval times when I do.
      - msg 13y ago
        Hear my kind tone of voice encouraging you to engage. If you feel that hypocrisy gives you a free pass to avoid engaging with a very deep belief system with a philosophical head start on you of no less than centuries, and your capsule summary of the Roman Catholic church is "medieval" and "moralizing"... I would say you actually need more exposure to Catholicism, not less. Hypocrisy is a universal... so it is actually a horrible signal if you are trying to figure out what to believe. And Christianity at least has a history of facing this issue head on. "Woe to you, teachers of the law and Pharisees, you hypocrites! You are like whitewashed tombs, which look beautiful on the outside but on the inside are full of the bones of the dead and everything unclean. In the same way, on the outside you appear to people as righteous but on the inside you are full of hypocrisy and wickedness." -- Jesus, in Matthew
        guard-of-terra 13y ago
        I just don't see this head start preventing a single person from doing same mistakes. This belief system seems like brain busy work: it makes you occupied for some time but does not make you a better person any more that any reflection will do when you are ready. Add mythology to the mix and the system becomes net harmful. Regarding Jesus: I just don't see "common christian" variety sort of people care about Jesus. Yes they claim they "love" him, but they just aren't trying to understand who he was as a person and therefore gravitate to beliefs that would make him facepalm.
guard-of-terra 13y ago
Also, it doesn't look like God got out and helped the poor lady, as it always doesn't do. You better stay clear from everything claiming to have relations to God, if she aligned with some secular university she might not die in absolute poverty. I now have something to stick into religious faces for the rest of my life, bookmarking.
- 6d0debc071 13y ago
  > Adjuncts now make up well over 50 percent of the faculty at colleges and universities. Unless you think that a fairly large percentage of colleges are religious and have a religious exemption from letting their faculty unionise, this may not be what you're looking for. ^^;
  - guard-of-terra 13y ago
    She would get a better deal. Still not good but better one.
    - 6d0debc071 13y ago
      I'm not following your logic there. How does working for a secular university give her a better deal? I can see how working in a union might - but that's not necessarily the same thing.
      - guard-of-terra 13y ago
        Because a secular university would have one stupid reason less against unionizing its workers.

by gngeal 13y ago

winestock 13y ago

Read the next sentence: This would be news to Georgetown University -- one of only two Catholic universities to make U.S. News & World Report's list of top 25 universities -- which just recognized its adjunct professors' union, citing the Catholic Church's social justice teachings, which favor labor unions.

gngeal 13y ago
Well, their Catholics are apparently less hypocritical than Duquesne's Catholics. I'm not sure, doesn't this simply reinforce what I was trying to say?
- msg 13y ago
  The "Catholic values" you criticize and approve of are not "catholic". Forgive the pun. Edit: I see a way to read your statement as saying that Duquesne has a twisted view of Catholic values. Which I could agree with. However there is another reading, not difficult to stumble into, where you are trying to make a general statement about Catholic values, which I could not agree with.
  - guard-of-terra 13y ago
    This just proves that every Catholic is also a man (or woman) perfectly capable of sin and malice, and so we would be pretty happy if every single one of them would stop moralizing forever. Stop thinking that they are more right and more good just because; and behaving after that. Where can one unsubscribe from ever hearing of how religion tells us how to do good and from ever facing any religion-based opinion? Because I feel I still live in the medieval times when I do.
    - msg 13y ago
      Hear my kind tone of voice encouraging you to engage. If you feel that hypocrisy gives you a free pass to avoid engaging with a very deep belief system with a philosophical head start on you of no less than centuries, and your capsule summary of the Roman Catholic church is "medieval" and "moralizing"... I would say you actually need more exposure to Catholicism, not less. Hypocrisy is a universal... so it is actually a horrible signal if you are trying to figure out what to believe. And Christianity at least has a history of facing this issue head on. "Woe to you, teachers of the law and Pharisees, you hypocrites! You are like whitewashed tombs, which look beautiful on the outside but on the inside are full of the bones of the dead and everything unclean. In the same way, on the outside you appear to people as righteous but on the inside you are full of hypocrisy and wickedness." -- Jesus, in Matthew
      - guard-of-terra 13y ago
        I just don't see this head start preventing a single person from doing same mistakes. This belief system seems like brain busy work: it makes you occupied for some time but does not make you a better person any more that any reflection will do when you are ready. Add mythology to the mix and the system becomes net harmful. Regarding Jesus: I just don't see "common christian" variety sort of people care about Jesus. Yes they claim they "love" him, but they just aren't trying to understand who he was as a person and therefore gravitate to beliefs that would make him facepalm.

guard-of-terra 13y ago

Also, it doesn't look like God got out and helped the poor lady, as it always doesn't do. You better stay clear from everything claiming to have relations to God, if she aligned with some secular university she might not die in absolute poverty. I now have something to stick into religious faces for the rest of my life, bookmarking.

6d0debc071 13y ago
> Adjuncts now make up well over 50 percent of the faculty at colleges and universities. Unless you think that a fairly large percentage of colleges are religious and have a religious exemption from letting their faculty unionise, this may not be what you're looking for. ^^;
- guard-of-terra 13y ago
  She would get a better deal. Still not good but better one.
  - 6d0debc071 13y ago
    I'm not following your logic there. How does working for a secular university give her a better deal? I can see how working in a union might - but that's not necessarily the same thing.
    - guard-of-terra 13y ago
      Because a secular university would have one stupid reason less against unionizing its workers.