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Oh yeah, then why didn't they shut-down Gmail like the folks at Lavabit did? Instead of doing the right thing, Google let themselves become compromised in secre

Oh yeah, then why didn't they shut-down Gmail like the folks at Lavabit did? Instead of doing the right thing, Google let themselves become compromised in secret - only for us to find out after someone was willing to put their life on the line to leak this information.

VikingCoder 13y ago
I will never be able to convince you that Google was not complicit in the acts the government took that Edward Snowden has exposed, and you will never convince me they were complicit. There is literally no evidence anyone could provide you, that would make you change your opinion. And I can't claim that I'm much different, if I'm honest, unless Google execs admit to it. Or unless journalists discover examples of prosecutors admitting evidence in some court, to convict someone, based on data that could only have been acquired with Google being complicit. You seem to forget that Google pulled out of China, rather than comply. How much money did they leave on the table, there?
- lnsignificant 13y ago
  This!
kllrnohj 13y ago
Google has been publishing transparency reports for years and were the first to get approval for the disclosure of NSL requests. It's not Google's fault you only started looking for the information after Snowden's stuff.
csallen 13y ago
You're exaggerating your claims and expectations to an extreme degree. For one, Snowden put his life on the line to leak a hell of a lot more than email spygate. Secondly, why didn't Google shut down Gmail? Is that a serious question? Because it quite obviously would've done far more harm than good, to citizens of the world and to Google. You should calm down a bit and try to adopt more reasonable stances if you actually hope to make a difference.
mortehu 13y ago
> Oh yeah, then why didn't they shut-down Gmail like the folks at Lavabit did? As to that specific question, I bet it's because Google's Privacy Policy says: > We will share personal information with companies, organizations or individuals outside of Google if we have a good-faith belief that access, use, preservation or disclosure of the information is reasonably necessary to: > meet any applicable law, regulation, legal process or enforceable governmental request. Lavabit's policy[1] said: > [...] we will not surrender any private information without a court order; [...]. ... so I guess they kind of indicated that they could be convinced to share private information, although they didn't do it in the form of a positive assertion like Google. 1. http://web.archive.org/web/20130805154359/http://lavabit.com/privacy_policy.html http://web.archive.org/web/20130805154359/http://lavabit.com...

VikingCoder 13y ago

I will never be able to convince you that Google was not complicit in the acts the government took that Edward Snowden has exposed, and you will never convince me they were complicit. There is literally no evidence anyone could provide you, that would make you change your opinion. And I can't claim that I'm much different, if I'm honest, unless Google execs admit to it. Or unless journalists discover examples of prosecutors admitting evidence in some court, to convict someone, based on data that could only have been acquired with Google being complicit. You seem to forget that Google pulled out of China, rather than comply. How much money did they leave on the table, there?

lnsignificant 13y ago
This!

kllrnohj 13y ago

Google has been publishing transparency reports for years and were the first to get approval for the disclosure of NSL requests. It's not Google's fault you only started looking for the information after Snowden's stuff.

csallen 13y ago

You're exaggerating your claims and expectations to an extreme degree. For one, Snowden put his life on the line to leak a hell of a lot more than email spygate. Secondly, why didn't Google shut down Gmail? Is that a serious question? Because it quite obviously would've done far more harm than good, to citizens of the world and to Google. You should calm down a bit and try to adopt more reasonable stances if you actually hope to make a difference.

mortehu 13y ago

> Oh yeah, then why didn't they shut-down Gmail like the folks at Lavabit did? As to that specific question, I bet it's because Google's Privacy Policy says: > We will share personal information with companies, organizations or individuals outside of Google if we have a good-faith belief that access, use, preservation or disclosure of the information is reasonably necessary to: > meet any applicable law, regulation, legal process or enforceable governmental request. Lavabit's policy[1] said: > [...] we will not surrender any private information without a court order; [...]. ... so I guess they kind of indicated that they could be convinced to share private information, although they didn't do it in the form of a positive assertion like Google. 1. http://web.archive.org/web/20130805154359/http://lavabit.com/privacy_policy.html http://web.archive.org/web/20130805154359/http://lavabit.com...