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If people's reactions to iOS7, and the keynote, are anything to go by, you could possibly argue that their pursuit of 'shininess' has overtaken their pursuit of

by anjc 13y ago

If people's reactions to iOS7, and the keynote, are anything to go by, you could possibly argue that their pursuit of 'shininess' has overtaken their pursuit of innovation and novelty, which now makes it look like they're playing catchup with other companies. I'm not saying that this is the case, but it seems to be an increasingly pervasive and snowballing attitude. The comments in the iOS6 vs iOS7 thread are almost all variations of "now it looks like Android/WP8". That's not a good perception for Apple, even if it's not a fair perception for people to have.

melange 13y ago
Those comments are self selecting and don't represent anything meaningful other than that all three OS's no longer rely on textures. Given that most people say that WP8 is radically different from Android, it makes no sense that people would say that iOS7 looks like both of them simultaneously, unless it has somehow captured the best of all 3 operating systems.
- anjc 13y ago
  Like I said, I don't necessarily agree with it, but it's just bad news that it's being said in the first place. I don't think many people on HN would have belittled Apple's design strengths over the last decade. I was rabidly anti-Apple myself, while still admitting that they knew what they were doing design wise. So if some significant percentage of people start seeing them as behind the curve now, that's bad. And I don't think there'd be as much self selection compared to say, /r/android. We should have a pretty general group of people here.
  - melange 13y ago
    Apple can't control the quality of discussion in forums. It's not 'bad news' for them in particular that people have illogical discussions. As to self selection - I don't know what the composition of HN in general is, but once a thread starts echoing an illogical emotive position, people who have a different view that is complex to articulate just stay away. I'm not saying HN itself is biased (although it may be), just that individual submissions become self selecting based on the tenor of early comments.

by anjc 13y ago

melange 13y ago

Those comments are self selecting and don't represent anything meaningful other than that all three OS's no longer rely on textures. Given that most people say that WP8 is radically different from Android, it makes no sense that people would say that iOS7 looks like both of them simultaneously, unless it has somehow captured the best of all 3 operating systems.

anjc 13y ago
Like I said, I don't necessarily agree with it, but it's just bad news that it's being said in the first place. I don't think many people on HN would have belittled Apple's design strengths over the last decade. I was rabidly anti-Apple myself, while still admitting that they knew what they were doing design wise. So if some significant percentage of people start seeing them as behind the curve now, that's bad. And I don't think there'd be as much self selection compared to say, /r/android. We should have a pretty general group of people here.
- melange 13y ago
  Apple can't control the quality of discussion in forums. It's not 'bad news' for them in particular that people have illogical discussions. As to self selection - I don't know what the composition of HN in general is, but once a thread starts echoing an illogical emotive position, people who have a different view that is complex to articulate just stay away. I'm not saying HN itself is biased (although it may be), just that individual submissions become self selecting based on the tenor of early comments.