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I suspect an unmentioned goal of this project is eventually to make the installation of OpenZFS on Linux (and other *ix operating systems) quick and simple, leg

by cs702 13y ago

I suspect an unmentioned goal of this project is eventually to make the installation of OpenZFS on Linux (and other *ix operating systems) quick and simple, legally running around Oracle's license restrictions.[1] Unsurprisingly, the list of supporting companies[2] does not include Oracle, which surely isn't happy about this project. -- [1] The source code upon which OpenZFS is based was provided by Oracle (Sun) under the CDDL license, which prevents OpenZFS from being distributed in binary form as part of the Linux kernel. [2] http://www.open-zfs.org/wiki/Companies http://www.open-zfs.org/wiki/Companies

synchronise 13y ago
Nothing stopping you from writing a script that automatically compiles and installs the module when you're installing your distro.
- patrickg_zill 13y ago
  I think the Debian install is almost as easy as that - download a .deb package and install it, and it pulls in and installs and compiles everything else.
- ed_blackburn 13y ago
  Homebrew?
- saosebastiao 13y ago
  There are lots of things stopping me from doing that. Like ensuring I don't break everything I touch. Not everybody is a sysadmin.
gonzo 13y ago
You can already install on ZFS in FreeBSD.
- laumars 13y ago
  It's a great pity more ZFS advocates are taking this as an opportunity to get better acquainted with FreeBSD. I've been running FreeBSD on my home server for about a decade now -even before ZFS- and have loved it. But I used to run Linux VMs on top of it. However it's only recently that I've decided to go fully FreeBSD on it, using jails instead of hardware virtualisation. I honestly can't understand why I waited so long to do so. It's proven to be a far more elegant solution for what I needed. While I do still run Linux on my desktop and work with Solaris and linux as my day job; FreeBSD seems a vastly overlooked alternative these days, which I think that's a great pity. its stable, proven and dead to administrate. But each to their own I guess.
  - D9u 13y ago
    My story is somewhat similar to yours, and I also regret not giving FreeBSD a try sooner. I guess hardware has a lot to do with many people's reluctance in using FreeBSD, and in that regard I was lucky that my netbook was compatible right out of the box so I didn't experience any of the issues others had.
    - MisterMerkin 13y ago
      May I ask which netbook you have?
      - D9u 13y ago
        I have an Acer Aspire One, ZG5. Intel Atom N270 1.6Ghz 1 GB RAM 160 GB hdd I bought it about 5 years ago for a whopping $99, but it has an issue with shutting down about 30 to 50 seconds after POST. I figure that I got my $99 worth out of it, and have acquired a new HP Envy 15, which is, unfortunately, equipped with a Broadcom 4313 wireless adaptor, thus I haven't yet taken the time to attempt getting the WiFi card to work in FreeBSD, but I intend to do so soon. (time permitting)
  - craigyk 13y ago
    I also agree. I run a pretty heterogenous set of servers, mostly linux, with a single FreeBSD machine using ZFS with about 100TB on it, and I really like it. There's a lot of missing conveniences from Linux, but overall FreeBSD seems better thought out and orchestrated. It also has some really cool technologies that receive little fanfare, while newly arrived linux equivalents get hailed as the "next best thing™".
- mahrens 13y ago
  ZFS is actually part of FreeBSD since FreeBSD 7, so you don't even need to install anything else!
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jdboyd 13y ago
Installing ZFS on Linux is quite simple. sudo apt-get install linux-headers-`uname -r` linux-headers-generic build-essential sudo apt-add-repository ppa:zfs-native/stable sudo apt-get update sudo apt-get install ubuntu-zfs The goal of OpenZFS is to foster cooperation between the various groups using ZFS.
- hrjet 13y ago
  Adding a ppa introduces one more point of trust. That makes it not an easy option.
  - gioele 13y ago
    With the current licence (CDDL) it is not going to be included in the repositories of main distros anyway.
    - Maakuth 13y ago
      I don't think it has much to do with the license, CDDL is based on Mozilla Public License after all (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Common_Development_and_Distribution_License https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Common_Development_and_Distrib...). The license being different to the kernel prevents distribution of kernel images with inbuilt ZFS support, but this can be worked around by installing it later, just as they already do with proprietary GPU drivers.
    - emillon 13y ago
      It's actually being integrated in Debian. (right now it's in the NEW queue, ie it's under final copyright review). See this bug report: http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=686447 http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=686447
- nailer 13y ago
  That takes care of post install. - How do I install onto ZFS? - How do I maintain this? Since ZFS is outside the mainline kernel, how do I know whoever compiles the ZFS packages will keep track of (distribution)'s kernel package?
ioquatix 13y ago
I thought this too, but I think the real issue is that they want to extend and add new features to ZFS and the original structure of the project isn't appropriate. The SPL interface isn't ideal either.

by cs702 13y ago

synchronise 13y ago

Nothing stopping you from writing a script that automatically compiles and installs the module when you're installing your distro.

patrickg_zill 13y ago
I think the Debian install is almost as easy as that - download a .deb package and install it, and it pulls in and installs and compiles everything else.
ed_blackburn 13y ago
Homebrew?
saosebastiao 13y ago
There are lots of things stopping me from doing that. Like ensuring I don't break everything I touch. Not everybody is a sysadmin.

gonzo 13y ago

You can already install on ZFS in FreeBSD.

laumars 13y ago
It's a great pity more ZFS advocates are taking this as an opportunity to get better acquainted with FreeBSD. I've been running FreeBSD on my home server for about a decade now -even before ZFS- and have loved it. But I used to run Linux VMs on top of it. However it's only recently that I've decided to go fully FreeBSD on it, using jails instead of hardware virtualisation. I honestly can't understand why I waited so long to do so. It's proven to be a far more elegant solution for what I needed. While I do still run Linux on my desktop and work with Solaris and linux as my day job; FreeBSD seems a vastly overlooked alternative these days, which I think that's a great pity. its stable, proven and dead to administrate. But each to their own I guess.
- D9u 13y ago
  My story is somewhat similar to yours, and I also regret not giving FreeBSD a try sooner. I guess hardware has a lot to do with many people's reluctance in using FreeBSD, and in that regard I was lucky that my netbook was compatible right out of the box so I didn't experience any of the issues others had.
  - MisterMerkin 13y ago
    May I ask which netbook you have?
    - D9u 13y ago
      I have an Acer Aspire One, ZG5. Intel Atom N270 1.6Ghz 1 GB RAM 160 GB hdd I bought it about 5 years ago for a whopping $99, but it has an issue with shutting down about 30 to 50 seconds after POST. I figure that I got my $99 worth out of it, and have acquired a new HP Envy 15, which is, unfortunately, equipped with a Broadcom 4313 wireless adaptor, thus I haven't yet taken the time to attempt getting the WiFi card to work in FreeBSD, but I intend to do so soon. (time permitting)
- craigyk 13y ago
  I also agree. I run a pretty heterogenous set of servers, mostly linux, with a single FreeBSD machine using ZFS with about 100TB on it, and I really like it. There's a lot of missing conveniences from Linux, but overall FreeBSD seems better thought out and orchestrated. It also has some really cool technologies that receive little fanfare, while newly arrived linux equivalents get hailed as the "next best thing™".
mahrens 13y ago
ZFS is actually part of FreeBSD since FreeBSD 7, so you don't even need to install anything else!

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jdboyd 13y ago

Installing ZFS on Linux is quite simple. sudo apt-get install linux-headers-`uname -r` linux-headers-generic build-essential sudo apt-add-repository ppa:zfs-native/stable sudo apt-get update sudo apt-get install ubuntu-zfs The goal of OpenZFS is to foster cooperation between the various groups using ZFS.

hrjet 13y ago
Adding a ppa introduces one more point of trust. That makes it not an easy option.
- gioele 13y ago
  With the current licence (CDDL) it is not going to be included in the repositories of main distros anyway.
  - Maakuth 13y ago
    I don't think it has much to do with the license, CDDL is based on Mozilla Public License after all (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Common_Development_and_Distribution_License https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Common_Development_and_Distrib...). The license being different to the kernel prevents distribution of kernel images with inbuilt ZFS support, but this can be worked around by installing it later, just as they already do with proprietary GPU drivers.
  - emillon 13y ago
    It's actually being integrated in Debian. (right now it's in the NEW queue, ie it's under final copyright review). See this bug report: http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=686447 http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=686447
nailer 13y ago
That takes care of post install. - How do I install onto ZFS? - How do I maintain this? Since ZFS is outside the mainline kernel, how do I know whoever compiles the ZFS packages will keep track of (distribution)'s kernel package?

ioquatix 13y ago

I thought this too, but I think the real issue is that they want to extend and add new features to ZFS and the original structure of the project isn't appropriate. The SPL interface isn't ideal either.