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True, a sad story , but i'm impress that they have been able to do that. But the salvage is expected to cost more than a billion , and italian taxpayers will ha

by camus 13y ago

True, a sad story , but i'm impress that they have been able to do that. But the salvage is expected to cost more than a billion , and italian taxpayers will have to pick up the tab... the question is , was it worth ? what about just tearing down the ship and dispose of it ?

themckman 13y ago
> what about just tearing down the ship and dispose of it ? That's exactly what they're planning to do once they clean it up enough to be towed away. They seem very worried about the surrounding ecosystem which is, my guess anyway, why they're not just doing it where it lies.
brohee 13y ago
The insurers are said to be picking up the tab, and the ship will be scrapped, but it had to be moved in a proper place first.
- georgeott 13y ago
  >> the ship will be scrapped, but it had to be moved in a proper place first. You mean a POORER PLACE first?
  - sk5t 13y ago
    Let's start with the assumption that the coast of Giglio is not the proper place... maybe a facility that specializes in scrapping and recycling of disused vessels would be better? That said, the ship breaking yards in Bangladesh don't look like pleasant places.
  - alphakappa 13y ago
    I believe what georgeott is referring to is the fact that ships are often scrapped in poorer places like India where it's possible to deal with toxic materials with minimal oversight.
    - ansible 13y ago
      Yes, but the ship has to still be seaworthy to make it to India in the first place. The CC is definitely not seaworthy, so I expect it will be towed to the closest shipyard that can handle it.
  - speeder 13y ago
    No, he means proper for scrapping. You don't scrap a ship in the middle of the sea, you don't want oil, rotten food, battery acid, sewage, cargo, and any other random stuff that might exist on a ship floating around freely.
  - Argorak 13y ago
    I don't know what you want to imply with the comment, could you please explain? It will be moved to a close harbor that can hold the ship (to my knowledge http://de.wikipedia.org/wiki/Piombino http://de.wikipedia.org/wiki/Piombino is discussed, currently). That sounds like reasonable thing to do.
    - georgeott 13y ago
      I was specifically referring to the nightmarish working/living conditions of most ship-breaking yards. Bangladesh, etc.
      - Argorak 13y ago
        Which is out of place, as the ship will be scuttled in Italy, so why the comment?
smoyer 13y ago
The reports I've seen say that Costa (and Carnival) are paying the bills but their insurance company will be reimbursing them for much of the cost.
chiph 13y ago
It contains a lot of toxic stuff -- left over fuel, oil, and especially rotting food. It's also sitting on top of an environmentally sensitive area. So cutting it up in place is not a good option. In a way, this ship is Italy's Exxon Valdez¹. Irresponsible ship's captain crashes into a reef... ¹ http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Exxon_Valdez http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Exxon_Valdez
- kbenson 13y ago
  Okay, I'm curious, why is rotting food is toxic? Edit: Okay, so it's a cruise ship, and I can see that amount of rotting (or otherwise) food possibly causing problems on a reef. I was thinking it was the cargo ship that capsized that was referenced in the wired article linked in another comment, which I had read about before. Still interested in specifics of what rotting food may do to an environment if anyone knows though.
  - pavel_lishin 13y ago
    I figured it would just bring a whole lot of crabs, lobsters, and fishy bottom-feeders who would make short work of it, get fat, and breed a little more than usual.
    - chiph 13y ago
      Aside from possible toxicity to the animals (like how onions are toxic to cats), I think the enormous quantity is a big problem. The crabs, etc. just couldn't eat enough of it, fast enough, to prevent the sea becoming nasty. I suspect also that the rotting food would consume oxygen in the area, and that would kill some sea life.
  - JonnieCache 13y ago
    Here you go: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Eutrophication http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Eutrophication Ecosystems in general are chaotic and extremely sensitive, and aquatic ones more so afaik.
  - aaron695 13y ago
dagw 13y ago
Italian taxpayers will have to pick up the tab The stories I've seen claim that that salvage operation is covered by insurance, so Lloyds (and whoever Lloyds is re-insured with) is picking up the tab.
IlPeach 13y ago
I heard Italians would have preferred the Concordia to be converted in a restaurant with Schettino as a waiter.

by camus 13y ago

themckman 13y ago

> what about just tearing down the ship and dispose of it ? That's exactly what they're planning to do once they clean it up enough to be towed away. They seem very worried about the surrounding ecosystem which is, my guess anyway, why they're not just doing it where it lies.

brohee 13y ago

The insurers are said to be picking up the tab, and the ship will be scrapped, but it had to be moved in a proper place first.

georgeott 13y ago
>> the ship will be scrapped, but it had to be moved in a proper place first. You mean a POORER PLACE first?
- sk5t 13y ago
  Let's start with the assumption that the coast of Giglio is not the proper place... maybe a facility that specializes in scrapping and recycling of disused vessels would be better? That said, the ship breaking yards in Bangladesh don't look like pleasant places.
- alphakappa 13y ago
  I believe what georgeott is referring to is the fact that ships are often scrapped in poorer places like India where it's possible to deal with toxic materials with minimal oversight.
  - ansible 13y ago
    Yes, but the ship has to still be seaworthy to make it to India in the first place. The CC is definitely not seaworthy, so I expect it will be towed to the closest shipyard that can handle it.
- speeder 13y ago
  No, he means proper for scrapping. You don't scrap a ship in the middle of the sea, you don't want oil, rotten food, battery acid, sewage, cargo, and any other random stuff that might exist on a ship floating around freely.
- Argorak 13y ago
  I don't know what you want to imply with the comment, could you please explain? It will be moved to a close harbor that can hold the ship (to my knowledge http://de.wikipedia.org/wiki/Piombino http://de.wikipedia.org/wiki/Piombino is discussed, currently). That sounds like reasonable thing to do.
  - georgeott 13y ago
    I was specifically referring to the nightmarish working/living conditions of most ship-breaking yards. Bangladesh, etc.
    - Argorak 13y ago
      Which is out of place, as the ship will be scuttled in Italy, so why the comment?

smoyer 13y ago

The reports I've seen say that Costa (and Carnival) are paying the bills but their insurance company will be reimbursing them for much of the cost.

chiph 13y ago

It contains a lot of toxic stuff -- left over fuel, oil, and especially rotting food. It's also sitting on top of an environmentally sensitive area. So cutting it up in place is not a good option. In a way, this ship is Italy's Exxon Valdez¹. Irresponsible ship's captain crashes into a reef... ¹ http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Exxon_Valdez http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Exxon_Valdez

kbenson 13y ago
Okay, I'm curious, why is rotting food is toxic? Edit: Okay, so it's a cruise ship, and I can see that amount of rotting (or otherwise) food possibly causing problems on a reef. I was thinking it was the cargo ship that capsized that was referenced in the wired article linked in another comment, which I had read about before. Still interested in specifics of what rotting food may do to an environment if anyone knows though.
- pavel_lishin 13y ago
  I figured it would just bring a whole lot of crabs, lobsters, and fishy bottom-feeders who would make short work of it, get fat, and breed a little more than usual.
  - chiph 13y ago
    Aside from possible toxicity to the animals (like how onions are toxic to cats), I think the enormous quantity is a big problem. The crabs, etc. just couldn't eat enough of it, fast enough, to prevent the sea becoming nasty. I suspect also that the rotting food would consume oxygen in the area, and that would kill some sea life.
- JonnieCache 13y ago
  Here you go: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Eutrophication http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Eutrophication Ecosystems in general are chaotic and extremely sensitive, and aquatic ones more so afaik.
- aaron695 13y ago

dagw 13y ago

Italian taxpayers will have to pick up the tab The stories I've seen claim that that salvage operation is covered by insurance, so Lloyds (and whoever Lloyds is re-insured with) is picking up the tab.

IlPeach 13y ago

I heard Italians would have preferred the Concordia to be converted in a restaurant with Schettino as a waiter.