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I'm glad I hit refresh and saw that the sensationalist title was edited, but even without that I think this article is a bit over the top. What they're doing is

by tedivm 13y ago

I'm glad I hit refresh and saw that the sensationalist title was edited, but even without that I think this article is a bit over the top. What they're doing is simple- * Building more direct connections between themselves and other countries, to reduce the amount of traffic going through the US. * Encouraging companies to host data directly in Brazil, so their privacy laws can be enforced for their citizens. * Developing an encrypted email service to reduce US spying. It's not surprising, and it's certainly not going to balkanize the internet. What it could do is cost US companies a ton of money in lost revenue as services move out of the country.

spacebe4time 13y ago
> * Encouraging companies to host data directly in Brazil, so their privacy laws can be enforced for their citizens. And it would allow them to collect data of their own citizens much easier. Because, ya know, it's just America is a totalitarian boogie-man. All other countries are bunch of human rights loving, tree hugging fluffy bunnies.
r00fus 13y ago
Going by your summary, this is plain common sense. And I think the Internet will be stronger for it. Viva la Brasil
- cfontes 13y ago
  Thanks. I don't want to sound as an asshole but... "Viva la Brasil" - is spanish and should be "Viva el Brasil" And we speak Portuguese the correct would be "Viva o Brasil" And looks like it's impossible to do this without sounding like an asshole, sorry for that.
  - wulczer 13y ago
    BTW, I think at least in Peninsular Spanish you'd say "Viva Brasil" (omitting the article).
    - deleted 13y ago
      [deleted]
  - mattlutze 13y ago
    Perhaps not interestingly, Google seems to think it's roughly proper Esperanto.
  - ralmeida 13y ago
    Maybe parent was doing some intertextual joke with Guevara's phrase "Viva la revolución"? Something like: http://9gag.com/gag/47152 http://9gag.com/gag/47152 http://www.juicycouture.com/accessories-fragrance-viva-la-juicy http://www.juicycouture.com/accessories-fragrance-viva-la-ju... http://www.vivalacake.com/ http://www.vivalacake.com/ http://vivalaandroid.spreadshirt.com/ http://vivalaandroid.spreadshirt.com/
- anxiousest 13y ago
  How exactly is fracturing the Internet and stopping the free flow of information will make it "stronger"? any sort of amplified indignation about the NSA is a red herring, Brazil had that plan for a long time and now and they are using the NSA as an excuse to accelerate it, and ironically their main reason is to enable more extensive local surveillance: http://internacional.elpais.com/internacional/2013/08/11/actualidad/1376172139_847597.html http://internacional.elpais.com/internacional/2013/08/11/act...
  - informatimago 13y ago
    Adding links between nodes is not fracturing a network, on the contrary. The strongest network is the full graph, where each node is connected to each other node, and it's also the network where it's hardest to spy communications, because they always occur directly between peers. On the contrary, the weakest network is the star network, which is basically a tree, with a central point (or a few central points) where all communications must pass thru, and where it is easy to collect all of them. With the Internet as it is built (by commercial ISP and country-wide communication monopolies), it is star shaped, and when you send a packet from Marseille to Barcelona, it goes in the best case, thru Paris and Madrid (where French and Spanish spies can copy it), and often it may even go thru Amsterdam and London (where the British, and therefore the NSA can copy it too). This is not good. And privacy apart, it makes for a brittle network, since breaking a couple of main trunks (eg. a link between Paris and London and a link between Paris and Madrid), would prevent anybody from Marseille to communicate with Barcelona. At all levels, increasing the meshing of the Internet is a good thing: add direct links with your neighbors, have your city establish direct links with neighboring cities, and of course, have your country establish direct links with neighboring countries, instead of going thru a central point in a potentially or manifestly hostile country (even if their private companies pledged to do no evil, they're still under the jug of the evil country).
    - zero_intp 13y ago
      There are MRS-MIL and LYS-ZRH fiber paths to protect the Iberian peninsula. A PAR-MAD cut does not bring down ONO or any of the other Iberian providers. Additionally, PAR-LON has more than one path, any backbone provider worth their weight will use both. Also, PAR-FRA-AMS-LON or PAR-AMS-LON are viable alternative paths should all LON-PAR paths be cut.
throwaway_yy2Di 13y ago
"Encouraging companies to host data directly in Brazil," The language in the article is "compels".
- kroger 13y ago
  "Encouraging companies to host data directly in Brazil" I hope they change how hosting and domain registration work in Brazil. I gave up registering .br domains because the way it works in Brazil is very obtuse. There's a centralized register (registro.br), their web site is stuck in 1995 (you can't change data easily, etc), and you can't register a domain for more than a year at a time (you have to renew every year).
  - soneca 13y ago
    Well, I used Registro.br and GoDaddy a few times and think Registro.br is much, much easier. And, yes, you can register for more than a year. Hosting on the other hand is terrible. Expensive and unreliable and with an awful customer service.
    - dspillett 13y ago
      I wouldn't use GoDaddy as a "good" example to compare other services to!
      - jebblue 13y ago
        GoDaddy is easy to use, clear, their prices broke me free from Network Solutions' high prices, they are a top domain registrar.
        dspillett 13y ago
        I've not touched them for some time having moved all the domains I used to have through them elsewhere (mainly due to opinions I have of them as a company than any technical issues as a registrar) so things may have changed. Back when I did have domains registered through them I found the interface to be very busy and cluttered, full of opportunities to be upsold to, and there was not way of just registering a domain without actively saying no to a small pile of upselling related questions. I remember setting up private name servers being relatively hasslesome too (possible, but the options not obviously easy to find). I think I pay a few cents (maybe even tens of cents, oh! the humanity!) per domain per year extra elsewhere (or did at the time of the move IIRC, I've not compared prices recently) but that isn't exactly going to break the bank for those I still bother to not let expire. > they are a top domain registrar They are certainly a popular registrar with a large customer base. Opinions on them being a top registrar vary widely especially as "top" could mean many things! But as I've not used them for a while I can't judge on technical matter or their current UI, I'll have to defer to you judgement on that. Other things would stop me ever moving back though.
talles 13y ago
What was the title by the way?
kassner 13y ago
"Developing an encrypted email service to reduce US spying." I have to laugh about the government asking their "USPS" to do this.
dspillett 13y ago
Assuming Brazil's government thinks like any other, "so their privacy laws can be enforced for their citizens" probably means "so we can enforce our laws allowing us to spy on you (by knowing your private keys or such), but other countries can't (unless an appropriately rich entity pays the right people for access to said keys". For proper privacy we need to implement it ourselves, unfortunately there are laws being written to ban that sort of thing for national security reasons.

by tedivm 13y ago

spacebe4time 13y ago

> * Encouraging companies to host data directly in Brazil, so their privacy laws can be enforced for their citizens. And it would allow them to collect data of their own citizens much easier. Because, ya know, it's just America is a totalitarian boogie-man. All other countries are bunch of human rights loving, tree hugging fluffy bunnies.

r00fus 13y ago

Going by your summary, this is plain common sense. And I think the Internet will be stronger for it. Viva la Brasil

cfontes 13y ago
Thanks. I don't want to sound as an asshole but... "Viva la Brasil" - is spanish and should be "Viva el Brasil" And we speak Portuguese the correct would be "Viva o Brasil" And looks like it's impossible to do this without sounding like an asshole, sorry for that.
- wulczer 13y ago
  BTW, I think at least in Peninsular Spanish you'd say "Viva Brasil" (omitting the article).
  - deleted 13y ago
    [deleted]
- mattlutze 13y ago
  Perhaps not interestingly, Google seems to think it's roughly proper Esperanto.
- ralmeida 13y ago
  Maybe parent was doing some intertextual joke with Guevara's phrase "Viva la revolución"? Something like: http://9gag.com/gag/47152 http://9gag.com/gag/47152 http://www.juicycouture.com/accessories-fragrance-viva-la-juicy http://www.juicycouture.com/accessories-fragrance-viva-la-ju... http://www.vivalacake.com/ http://www.vivalacake.com/ http://vivalaandroid.spreadshirt.com/ http://vivalaandroid.spreadshirt.com/
anxiousest 13y ago
How exactly is fracturing the Internet and stopping the free flow of information will make it "stronger"? any sort of amplified indignation about the NSA is a red herring, Brazil had that plan for a long time and now and they are using the NSA as an excuse to accelerate it, and ironically their main reason is to enable more extensive local surveillance: http://internacional.elpais.com/internacional/2013/08/11/actualidad/1376172139_847597.html http://internacional.elpais.com/internacional/2013/08/11/act...
- informatimago 13y ago
  Adding links between nodes is not fracturing a network, on the contrary. The strongest network is the full graph, where each node is connected to each other node, and it's also the network where it's hardest to spy communications, because they always occur directly between peers. On the contrary, the weakest network is the star network, which is basically a tree, with a central point (or a few central points) where all communications must pass thru, and where it is easy to collect all of them. With the Internet as it is built (by commercial ISP and country-wide communication monopolies), it is star shaped, and when you send a packet from Marseille to Barcelona, it goes in the best case, thru Paris and Madrid (where French and Spanish spies can copy it), and often it may even go thru Amsterdam and London (where the British, and therefore the NSA can copy it too). This is not good. And privacy apart, it makes for a brittle network, since breaking a couple of main trunks (eg. a link between Paris and London and a link between Paris and Madrid), would prevent anybody from Marseille to communicate with Barcelona. At all levels, increasing the meshing of the Internet is a good thing: add direct links with your neighbors, have your city establish direct links with neighboring cities, and of course, have your country establish direct links with neighboring countries, instead of going thru a central point in a potentially or manifestly hostile country (even if their private companies pledged to do no evil, they're still under the jug of the evil country).
  - zero_intp 13y ago
    There are MRS-MIL and LYS-ZRH fiber paths to protect the Iberian peninsula. A PAR-MAD cut does not bring down ONO or any of the other Iberian providers. Additionally, PAR-LON has more than one path, any backbone provider worth their weight will use both. Also, PAR-FRA-AMS-LON or PAR-AMS-LON are viable alternative paths should all LON-PAR paths be cut.

throwaway_yy2Di 13y ago

"Encouraging companies to host data directly in Brazil," The language in the article is "compels".

kroger 13y ago
"Encouraging companies to host data directly in Brazil" I hope they change how hosting and domain registration work in Brazil. I gave up registering .br domains because the way it works in Brazil is very obtuse. There's a centralized register (registro.br), their web site is stuck in 1995 (you can't change data easily, etc), and you can't register a domain for more than a year at a time (you have to renew every year).
- soneca 13y ago
  Well, I used Registro.br and GoDaddy a few times and think Registro.br is much, much easier. And, yes, you can register for more than a year. Hosting on the other hand is terrible. Expensive and unreliable and with an awful customer service.
  - dspillett 13y ago
    I wouldn't use GoDaddy as a "good" example to compare other services to!
    - jebblue 13y ago
      GoDaddy is easy to use, clear, their prices broke me free from Network Solutions' high prices, they are a top domain registrar.
      - dspillett 13y ago
        I've not touched them for some time having moved all the domains I used to have through them elsewhere (mainly due to opinions I have of them as a company than any technical issues as a registrar) so things may have changed. Back when I did have domains registered through them I found the interface to be very busy and cluttered, full of opportunities to be upsold to, and there was not way of just registering a domain without actively saying no to a small pile of upselling related questions. I remember setting up private name servers being relatively hasslesome too (possible, but the options not obviously easy to find). I think I pay a few cents (maybe even tens of cents, oh! the humanity!) per domain per year extra elsewhere (or did at the time of the move IIRC, I've not compared prices recently) but that isn't exactly going to break the bank for those I still bother to not let expire. > they are a top domain registrar They are certainly a popular registrar with a large customer base. Opinions on them being a top registrar vary widely especially as "top" could mean many things! But as I've not used them for a while I can't judge on technical matter or their current UI, I'll have to defer to you judgement on that. Other things would stop me ever moving back though.

talles 13y ago

What was the title by the way?

kassner 13y ago

"Developing an encrypted email service to reduce US spying." I have to laugh about the government asking their "USPS" to do this.

dspillett 13y ago

Assuming Brazil's government thinks like any other, "so their privacy laws can be enforced for their citizens" probably means "so we can enforce our laws allowing us to spy on you (by knowing your private keys or such), but other countries can't (unless an appropriately rich entity pays the right people for access to said keys". For proper privacy we need to implement it ourselves, unfortunately there are laws being written to ban that sort of thing for national security reasons.