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It is interesting, because I am a long time hardcore unix guy, and I have the exact opposite feeling. I don't think linux offers any advantage over windows for

by asdasf 13y ago

It is interesting, because I am a long time hardcore unix guy, and I have the exact opposite feeling. I don't think linux offers any advantage over windows for a desktop/gaming environment any more. Back when we had to deal with the instability of windows 98, having games work on linux was a fantasy. But now, between the increased stability that came with moving to NT for windows, and the decreased stability that came with all the crap that comes with gaming on linux, I don't see the benefit. That combined with linux moving so far away from unix, and so much closer to the bloated complexity of windows, just makes it seem pointless.

trebuch3t 13y ago
Thanks for the contrarian perspective. Sure, there's the pain of dealing with drivers and settings and tweaks with Windows, even with Win7, but it's certainly not any worse than getting Linux to work.
- hrkristian 13y ago
  I don't mean to nitpick, but that is one thing I don't find to be true. Comparing W7 install to Linux Mint, Mint won by landslide on my laptop. Disregarding the horrorshow of a partition layout from the manufacturer that I had to fix, the mint install was much, much faster and easier, with full support from the get-go. The drivers thing really is an important point, and even when my Windows install was fully completed, the fact I had to cope with the horrible ASUS shell to use keyboard functions has caused me to not even boot W7 for months. I use arch on my other machines, and naturally that is a whole other story I wouldn't even dare tell a less tech-savvy person.
adwf 13y ago
Good point. I hadn't really thought about it from the point of view of relative advantage of platform. More just my own personal desire to game where I work I guess! Having said that, I do still find Linux to be a much more stable and high performance platform. One of the reasons I dread dual-booting is that it takes about 5-10 minutes after booting for my Windows installation to be properly responsive to commands. I know I can re-format, but I don't feel I should have to. I've been running the same Arch install for longer than I have Win 7 and haven't had to resort to massively drastic tactics like that yet. I guess it all comes down to lowering the barriers to entry. Ultimately the mass-market will use what is installed on their computer when they buy it. This gives the major manufacturers one more reason to try the Linux experiment and cut the Windows license costs. It's a pretty good reason too. Gaming was one of the very few things that couldn't be fixed easily through some other means like Wine or VMs.
- NoodleIncident 13y ago
  In my experience, Linux definitely has the advantage. Once I remembered to close my 5 workspaces and sorted out my graphics drivers (problems that won't affect a console-like system), Team Fortress 2 felt buttery smooth. If I want to switch playlists while gaming on Windows, I have to hit Ctrl-Alt-Delete, click Task Manager, then click the web browser in the task bar on the bottom. Linux Mint with Cinnamon snaps me right there with an Alt-Tab.
  - XorNot 13y ago
    Currently I can't play Steam on Linux because I'm stuck with with the OSS Radeon driver, which works fine for a desktop but doesn't have the performance for TF2. Whereas the ATI driver would, except it doesn't support compositing and DRI so I can't use my desktop with it. I want gaming on Linux if only because it would light a fire under the manufacturers to fix their god damn drivers.
hahainternet 13y ago
A non mandatory app store is the real thing that has pushed Valve and a real consideration here.
csense 13y ago
> I don't think linux offers any advantage over windows It's free in beer, and free as in speech. The developer experience is much better on Linux; doing something like running all your video assets through a converter in parallel is a one-line shell script on Linux [1], but a hundred-line Python script on Windows. Subjectively, on Linux filesystems seem to be faster and overall memory usage seems to be smaller. Seriously, a long time hardcore unix guy doesn't see the benefits of Linux over Windows? [1] https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=6363676 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=6363676
- asdasf 13y ago
  >Seriously, a long time hardcore unix guy doesn't see the benefits of Linux over Windows? Nope. Linux barely even resembles unix at this point, as I mentioned. That one line shell script is also a one line shell script on windows, install cygwin or learn powershell. I find the developer experience on linux to be terrible, I do my development on openbsd running in virtualbox regardless of whether I am running windows or linux.

by asdasf 13y ago

trebuch3t 13y ago

Thanks for the contrarian perspective. Sure, there's the pain of dealing with drivers and settings and tweaks with Windows, even with Win7, but it's certainly not any worse than getting Linux to work.

hrkristian 13y ago
I don't mean to nitpick, but that is one thing I don't find to be true. Comparing W7 install to Linux Mint, Mint won by landslide on my laptop. Disregarding the horrorshow of a partition layout from the manufacturer that I had to fix, the mint install was much, much faster and easier, with full support from the get-go. The drivers thing really is an important point, and even when my Windows install was fully completed, the fact I had to cope with the horrible ASUS shell to use keyboard functions has caused me to not even boot W7 for months. I use arch on my other machines, and naturally that is a whole other story I wouldn't even dare tell a less tech-savvy person.

adwf 13y ago

Good point. I hadn't really thought about it from the point of view of relative advantage of platform. More just my own personal desire to game where I work I guess! Having said that, I do still find Linux to be a much more stable and high performance platform. One of the reasons I dread dual-booting is that it takes about 5-10 minutes after booting for my Windows installation to be properly responsive to commands. I know I can re-format, but I don't feel I should have to. I've been running the same Arch install for longer than I have Win 7 and haven't had to resort to massively drastic tactics like that yet. I guess it all comes down to lowering the barriers to entry. Ultimately the mass-market will use what is installed on their computer when they buy it. This gives the major manufacturers one more reason to try the Linux experiment and cut the Windows license costs. It's a pretty good reason too. Gaming was one of the very few things that couldn't be fixed easily through some other means like Wine or VMs.

NoodleIncident 13y ago
In my experience, Linux definitely has the advantage. Once I remembered to close my 5 workspaces and sorted out my graphics drivers (problems that won't affect a console-like system), Team Fortress 2 felt buttery smooth. If I want to switch playlists while gaming on Windows, I have to hit Ctrl-Alt-Delete, click Task Manager, then click the web browser in the task bar on the bottom. Linux Mint with Cinnamon snaps me right there with an Alt-Tab.
- XorNot 13y ago
  Currently I can't play Steam on Linux because I'm stuck with with the OSS Radeon driver, which works fine for a desktop but doesn't have the performance for TF2. Whereas the ATI driver would, except it doesn't support compositing and DRI so I can't use my desktop with it. I want gaming on Linux if only because it would light a fire under the manufacturers to fix their god damn drivers.

hahainternet 13y ago

A non mandatory app store is the real thing that has pushed Valve and a real consideration here.

csense 13y ago

> I don't think linux offers any advantage over windows It's free in beer, and free as in speech. The developer experience is much better on Linux; doing something like running all your video assets through a converter in parallel is a one-line shell script on Linux [1], but a hundred-line Python script on Windows. Subjectively, on Linux filesystems seem to be faster and overall memory usage seems to be smaller. Seriously, a long time hardcore unix guy doesn't see the benefits of Linux over Windows? [1] https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=6363676 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=6363676

asdasf 13y ago
>Seriously, a long time hardcore unix guy doesn't see the benefits of Linux over Windows? Nope. Linux barely even resembles unix at this point, as I mentioned. That one line shell script is also a one line shell script on windows, install cygwin or learn powershell. I find the developer experience on linux to be terrible, I do my development on openbsd running in virtualbox regardless of whether I am running windows or linux.