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Thanks for the heads up! We'll def be sure to get on that and get some basic first aid training across the board + med kit on site. Any other advice/tips we sho

by intenex 13y ago

Thanks for the heads up! We'll def be sure to get on that and get some basic first aid training across the board + med kit on site. Any other advice/tips we should be aware of?

jacquesm 13y ago
You're welcome. Basic engine repair skills, something to patch up your boat in case you spring a leak, a basic comms kit+genny so you can call up the coast guard or a passing boat if you should need them (assuming your island is out of cell phone reach), cache of freshwater, fuel, waterproofed matches and a couple of days worth of tin cans in case you ever get cut off. Halifax coast in winter can be, how to phrase this, impressive, to say the least. Mind you, the real kick is when you are isolated but there is an additional degree of risk there. No need to get your appendix out as a precaution just yet ;) All of this is assuming you're on the salty side of things, if you're in a lake it's a lot more relaxed but you will still need to take basic precautions and you'll need to be extremely careful with what you do with your wastes (you'd need to be just as careful in the ocean with that for ethical reasons but there will be fewer watching eyes so you can drop the 'extremely').
- npsimons 13y ago
  As a SAR guy, I can say the big big thing is the first aid (plus CPR). It sounds like you're relatively close to civilization, but realize that if someone has to come to help you, they're likely not going to be there within the Golden Hour (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Golden_hour_%28medicine%29 https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Golden_hour_%28medicine%29). That, and just being prepared in general (ten essentials: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ten_Essentials https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ten_Essentials and knowing how to use them), having skills, and being wary. I've seen even well-seasoned people end up in bad situations; the best way to survive seems to be to avoid the bad situations. Also, never go alone.
  - philbarr 13y ago
    Reading all the advice that is being given in comments around this thread, it would seem the best advice would be: get someone who knows what they're talking about in the local area and get their advice; like the parent poster SAR but that also knows about dangers closer to home. Maybe you could make a weekend of it for your families or something.
    - npsimons 13y ago
      My SAR group actually teaches a class where one of our stated upfront goals is to prevent people from having to be rescued. Depending on the area, the local SAR group might be too busy putting out fires to do similar (it takes a lot of planning and prep).
  - jacquesm 13y ago
    Good stuff second all of it, the last one you can't emphasize enough. 'SAR guy' -> Search And Rescue guy.
  - edkennedy 13y ago
    Although that area is typically serviced by hovercraft and close to civilization, having first aid skills are certainly essential.
    - lostlogin 13y ago
      And gear. Setting up a supply of basic medical stuff isn't that expensive if you do it right and it could be very handy. A few key drugs, a few laminated sets of instructions on how to give them and you'll potentially be much better off. Allergic reactions etc can be ugly.
  - deleted 13y ago
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  - ballard 13y ago
    Yep. Life is fragile. One subtle mistake can be game over (McCandless) Non-nonsense survival guide: http://www.amazon.com/gp/aw/d/0762448180 http://www.amazon.com/gp/aw/d/0762448180 Also: man vs wild (television)
    - jackgavigan 13y ago
      > Also: man vs wild (television) I would very strongly advise AGAINST emulating Bear Grylls' antics in 'Man vs Wild'. He often does things that are the complete and total opposite of what you should do. One example that stuck in my mind was when he (supposedly) needed to cross a mountain and decided, instead, to go through the mountain via a cave, which is possibly the most stupid idea I've ever heard. He arguably puts young people at risk by encouraging such dangerous behaviour. Lofty Wiseman (author of the SAS Survival Guide) has described him as an "idiot". Also, while the TV show portrays him as roughing it in the wild, the truth is somewhat different: http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-470155/How-Bear-Grylls-Born-Survivor-roughed--hotels.html http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-470155/How-Bear-Gryl...
- notaddicted 13y ago
  If their boat is more of a skiff, a couple paddles and a milk jug cut in half for bailing might be sufficient. In terms of winter storms, this is approximately as bad as it gets: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/White_Juan http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/White_Juan .
  - jacquesm 13y ago
    Funny you should post that. I was travelling by car near Cap Chat when that hit and it wasn't amusing at all. https://maps.google.com/maps?q=cap+chat+quebec&oe=utf-8&aq=t&rls=org.mozilla:en-US:unofficial&client=firefox-a&um=1&ie=UTF-8&hl=en&sa=N&tab=wl https://maps.google.com/maps?q=cap+chat+quebec&oe=utf-8&aq=t... The st. Lawrence river might just as well be ocean for the purpose of driving along the shore road in winter, in the middle of a snowstorm like that it really makes you wonder what the hell you were thinking of driving there in winter. I went there to visit a huge VAT ('eggbeater' or Darrieus rotor windmill), I should have kept a better eye out for the weather reports rather than to keep on driving, and I only caught the tail end of it. Live & learn... (someone else's picture of the windmill: http://www.flickr.com/photos/libraryman_76021/555075211/ http://www.flickr.com/photos/libraryman_76021/555075211/ ) It's an interesting experience to try to dig out your car before the next snowplow comes along.
    - davidp 13y ago
      Completely unrelated: I zoomed out on your Google Maps link and saw a suspiciously circular lake formation: https://maps.google.com/maps?q=cap+chat+quebec&hl=en&ie=UTF8&ll=50.099441,-67.851562&spn=4.697389,4.987793&oe=utf-8&client=firefox-a&hnear=Cap-Chat,+La+Haute-Gasp%C3%A9sie+Regional+County+Municipality,+Quebec,+Canada&t=h&z=8 https://maps.google.com/maps?q=cap+chat+quebec&hl=en&ie=UTF8... Yep, it's the 4th most powerful known meteor impact: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ren%C3%A9-Levasseur_Island http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ren%C3%A9-Levasseur_Island I love Wikipedia.
      - jacquesm 13y ago
        Go to Sudbury, Ontario for an even larger one! (they're still mining that one today).
ballard 13y ago
A wildnerness first aid kit and training: http://www.outdoored.com/community/risk_management/b/wildmed/archive/2011/04/18/first-aid-kit.aspx http://www.outdoored.com/community/risk_management/b/wildmed... And an AED

by intenex 13y ago

Thanks for the heads up! We'll def be sure to get on that and get some basic first aid training across the board + med kit on site. Any other advice/tips we should be aware of?

jacquesm 13y ago

You're welcome. Basic engine repair skills, something to patch up your boat in case you spring a leak, a basic comms kit+genny so you can call up the coast guard or a passing boat if you should need them (assuming your island is out of cell phone reach), cache of freshwater, fuel, waterproofed matches and a couple of days worth of tin cans in case you ever get cut off. Halifax coast in winter can be, how to phrase this, impressive, to say the least. Mind you, the real kick is when you are isolated but there is an additional degree of risk there. No need to get your appendix out as a precaution just yet ;) All of this is assuming you're on the salty side of things, if you're in a lake it's a lot more relaxed but you will still need to take basic precautions and you'll need to be extremely careful with what you do with your wastes (you'd need to be just as careful in the ocean with that for ethical reasons but there will be fewer watching eyes so you can drop the 'extremely').

npsimons 13y ago
As a SAR guy, I can say the big big thing is the first aid (plus CPR). It sounds like you're relatively close to civilization, but realize that if someone has to come to help you, they're likely not going to be there within the Golden Hour (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Golden_hour_%28medicine%29 https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Golden_hour_%28medicine%29). That, and just being prepared in general (ten essentials: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ten_Essentials https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ten_Essentials and knowing how to use them), having skills, and being wary. I've seen even well-seasoned people end up in bad situations; the best way to survive seems to be to avoid the bad situations. Also, never go alone.
- philbarr 13y ago
  Reading all the advice that is being given in comments around this thread, it would seem the best advice would be: get someone who knows what they're talking about in the local area and get their advice; like the parent poster SAR but that also knows about dangers closer to home. Maybe you could make a weekend of it for your families or something.
  - npsimons 13y ago
    My SAR group actually teaches a class where one of our stated upfront goals is to prevent people from having to be rescued. Depending on the area, the local SAR group might be too busy putting out fires to do similar (it takes a lot of planning and prep).
- jacquesm 13y ago
  Good stuff second all of it, the last one you can't emphasize enough. 'SAR guy' -> Search And Rescue guy.
- edkennedy 13y ago
  Although that area is typically serviced by hovercraft and close to civilization, having first aid skills are certainly essential.
  - lostlogin 13y ago
    And gear. Setting up a supply of basic medical stuff isn't that expensive if you do it right and it could be very handy. A few key drugs, a few laminated sets of instructions on how to give them and you'll potentially be much better off. Allergic reactions etc can be ugly.
- deleted 13y ago
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- ballard 13y ago
  Yep. Life is fragile. One subtle mistake can be game over (McCandless) Non-nonsense survival guide: http://www.amazon.com/gp/aw/d/0762448180 http://www.amazon.com/gp/aw/d/0762448180 Also: man vs wild (television)
  - jackgavigan 13y ago
    > Also: man vs wild (television) I would very strongly advise AGAINST emulating Bear Grylls' antics in 'Man vs Wild'. He often does things that are the complete and total opposite of what you should do. One example that stuck in my mind was when he (supposedly) needed to cross a mountain and decided, instead, to go through the mountain via a cave, which is possibly the most stupid idea I've ever heard. He arguably puts young people at risk by encouraging such dangerous behaviour. Lofty Wiseman (author of the SAS Survival Guide) has described him as an "idiot". Also, while the TV show portrays him as roughing it in the wild, the truth is somewhat different: http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-470155/How-Bear-Grylls-Born-Survivor-roughed--hotels.html http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-470155/How-Bear-Gryl...
notaddicted 13y ago
If their boat is more of a skiff, a couple paddles and a milk jug cut in half for bailing might be sufficient. In terms of winter storms, this is approximately as bad as it gets: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/White_Juan http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/White_Juan .
- jacquesm 13y ago
  Funny you should post that. I was travelling by car near Cap Chat when that hit and it wasn't amusing at all. https://maps.google.com/maps?q=cap+chat+quebec&oe=utf-8&aq=t&rls=org.mozilla:en-US:unofficial&client=firefox-a&um=1&ie=UTF-8&hl=en&sa=N&tab=wl https://maps.google.com/maps?q=cap+chat+quebec&oe=utf-8&aq=t... The st. Lawrence river might just as well be ocean for the purpose of driving along the shore road in winter, in the middle of a snowstorm like that it really makes you wonder what the hell you were thinking of driving there in winter. I went there to visit a huge VAT ('eggbeater' or Darrieus rotor windmill), I should have kept a better eye out for the weather reports rather than to keep on driving, and I only caught the tail end of it. Live & learn... (someone else's picture of the windmill: http://www.flickr.com/photos/libraryman_76021/555075211/ http://www.flickr.com/photos/libraryman_76021/555075211/ ) It's an interesting experience to try to dig out your car before the next snowplow comes along.
  - davidp 13y ago
    Completely unrelated: I zoomed out on your Google Maps link and saw a suspiciously circular lake formation: https://maps.google.com/maps?q=cap+chat+quebec&hl=en&ie=UTF8&ll=50.099441,-67.851562&spn=4.697389,4.987793&oe=utf-8&client=firefox-a&hnear=Cap-Chat,+La+Haute-Gasp%C3%A9sie+Regional+County+Municipality,+Quebec,+Canada&t=h&z=8 https://maps.google.com/maps?q=cap+chat+quebec&hl=en&ie=UTF8... Yep, it's the 4th most powerful known meteor impact: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ren%C3%A9-Levasseur_Island http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ren%C3%A9-Levasseur_Island I love Wikipedia.
    - jacquesm 13y ago
      Go to Sudbury, Ontario for an even larger one! (they're still mining that one today).

ballard 13y ago

A wildnerness first aid kit and training: http://www.outdoored.com/community/risk_management/b/wildmed/archive/2011/04/18/first-aid-kit.aspx http://www.outdoored.com/community/risk_management/b/wildmed... And an AED