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Redhat is at the top, Canonical nowhere to be found.

by chatman 13y ago

memset 13y ago
In fact, the article addresses your point directly: Canonical contributed 548 changes in the period studied in today's report and would have cracked the top 30 if the foundation hadn't included "none" and "unknown" in the rankings. The maker of Ubuntu has been criticized for years for not contributing more to the kernel (and recently clashed with Intel over patches submitted to the company's graphics driver), but Zemlin [Linux Foundation Executive Director] isn't upset. "I am not at all mad at them. I think they do good work," he said. "You just kind of choose what's important to your org and where you can add the most value to the project and how it intersects with your business. They choose to focus a lot of their time and energy at higher levels of the software stack."
Mikeb85 13y ago
Actually unaffiliated programmers are at the top. Canonical's contribution is more to the desktop and OS itself than to the kernel. The majority of desktop installations are either Ubuntu or Ubuntu-based, and Ubuntu is quickly becoming the server of choice as well. Ubuntu is leading GNU/Linux adoption worldwide, which in itself is a huge contribution to the ecosystem, as it gets more programmers interested in various open source projects.
- matthewdavis 13y ago
  > Ubuntu is quickly becoming the server of choice as well Source?
  - Mikeb85 13y ago
    http://www.zdnet.com/blog/open-source/is-ubuntu-becoming-a-big-name-in-enterprise-linux-servers/10602 http://www.zdnet.com/blog/open-source/is-ubuntu-becoming-a-b... A quick Google search will produce this information. Furthermore, I think a survey of new server deployments would be even more in Ubuntu's favour, though gathering such information is no doubt difficult. In the article it does mention that Ubuntu is the most popular distro for Amazon deployments...
    - spartango 13y ago
      The article cites Cloud Market's data on AMIs, which indicate how many AMIs have been derived from the Ubuntu base AMIs, rather than actual deployment numbers. It's an interesting indicator... Having been on the inside (EC2) and seen the numbers, I can confidently say that Ubuntu's AMIs are the most popular AMIs deployed on EC2. The stock AMIS take the top spots by an overwhelming majority, and most of the lower spots are filled with derivatives of the original Ubuntu AMIs. Ubuntu's been working hard in the server/cloud space for a while, between the JeOS effort and subsequent, excellent tools for building customized installations around it. It's not just a brand or that makes them popular; with Ubuntu you get a sane system, style, and toolset for your system images.
  - PeterisP 13y ago
    Some anecdotal evidence - our university is running free Linux VM's for research purposes (so, non-graphical remote servers), people can choose what they want, and the majority seem to choose Ubuntu; with CentOS being second place.
- pavanky 13y ago
  > The majority of desktop installations are either Ubuntu or Ubuntu-based, and Ubuntu is quickly becoming the server of choice as well. Unless you are using unity, I don't see why a distribution should be called ubuntu based instead of debian based. A lot of "Ubuntu derivatives" are not based on unity. Sure Ubuntu has a betteer installer and pretty themes, but the base is undeinably debian.
  - Mikeb85 13y ago
    Ubuntu has made more modifications than simply the Unity DE. Is Linux Mint (the regular edition) fully compatible with Debian? Does a Debian server have the same features as an Ubuntu server?
  - dragonwriter 13y ago
    > Unless you are using unity, I don't see why a distribution should be called ubuntu based instead of debian based. Because Ubuntu is more than Unity. I mean, by the "Unity or its not Ubuntu-based" standard you propose, Kubuntu (which is exactly Ubuntu -- sharing all the same repos -- with the KDE desktop and apps installed by default) wouldn't be an "Ubuntu-based distribution". Heck, Ubuntu Server, since it doesn't have a default DE at all, wouldn't be an "Ubuntu-based distribution", either.
    - pavanky 13y ago
      Well you'll have to show me what Ubuntu has that Debian does not. Kubuntu, I suspect, is only named because it was originally sponsored by Canonical. Nothing more.
      - dragonwriter 13y ago
        > Well you'll have to show me what Ubuntu has that Debian does not. Ubuntu maintains a set of repositories for each version of Ubuntu, which (even when the same--by name--software is in Debian's official repositories, will often be different versions or otherwise different contents than Debian repos). Kubuntu uses entirely software from the Ubuntu repos from the corresponding version number (e.g., Kubuntu 12.04 uses exactly the same set of repos as Ubuntu 12.04.) You can, in effect, switch from Kubuntu to Ubuntu, or vice versa, just using the apt package manager without changing the base repositories, just installing and removing the right packages from the ubuntu repos. The difference between Kubuntu 12.04 and Ubuntu 12.04 is entirely in which packages, from the Ubuntu "precise" repositories are installed by default. The difference between either and any version of Debian is much greater. The whole "unity or you have to call it 'Debian-based' instead of 'Ubuntu-based'" idea is nonsense.
- sebastianavina 13y ago
  I've been using linux mint for a couple years now, and I have the feeling that mint is growing more than ubuntu.
  - ramidarigaz 13y ago
    Do you have any data to back up that feeling?
    - TheEskimo 13y ago
      If you trust distrowatch's pagehits then yes, it's significantly beating/overtaking ubuntu. http://distrowatch.com/dwres.php?resource=popularity http://distrowatch.com/dwres.php?resource=popularity
      - jbicha 13y ago
        And Mageia is 5 times as popular as Red Hat too, right? ;)
consider_this 13y ago
Canonical is probably primarily focused on recreating the Mir wheel and other Unity/Ubuntu Phone/etc. I doubt a whole hell of a lot of that goes upstream.

Redhat is at the top, Canonical nowhere to be found.

by chatman 13y ago

Redhat is at the top, Canonical nowhere to be found.

In fact, the article addresses your point directly: Canonical contributed 548 changes in the period studied in today's report and would have cracked the top 30 if the foundation hadn't included "none" and "unknown" in the rankings. The maker of Ubuntu has been criticized for years for not contributing more to the kernel (and recently clashed with Intel over patches submitted to the company's graphics driver), but Zemlin [Linux Foundation Executive Director] isn't upset. "I am not at all mad at them. I think they do good work," he said. "You just kind of choose what's important to your org and where you can add the most value to the project and how it intersects with your business. They choose to focus a lot of their time and energy at higher levels of the software stack."

Mikeb85 13y ago

Actually unaffiliated programmers are at the top. Canonical's contribution is more to the desktop and OS itself than to the kernel. The majority of desktop installations are either Ubuntu or Ubuntu-based, and Ubuntu is quickly becoming the server of choice as well. Ubuntu is leading GNU/Linux adoption worldwide, which in itself is a huge contribution to the ecosystem, as it gets more programmers interested in various open source projects.

matthewdavis 13y ago
> Ubuntu is quickly becoming the server of choice as well Source?
- Mikeb85 13y ago
  http://www.zdnet.com/blog/open-source/is-ubuntu-becoming-a-big-name-in-enterprise-linux-servers/10602 http://www.zdnet.com/blog/open-source/is-ubuntu-becoming-a-b... A quick Google search will produce this information. Furthermore, I think a survey of new server deployments would be even more in Ubuntu's favour, though gathering such information is no doubt difficult. In the article it does mention that Ubuntu is the most popular distro for Amazon deployments...
  - spartango 13y ago
    The article cites Cloud Market's data on AMIs, which indicate how many AMIs have been derived from the Ubuntu base AMIs, rather than actual deployment numbers. It's an interesting indicator... Having been on the inside (EC2) and seen the numbers, I can confidently say that Ubuntu's AMIs are the most popular AMIs deployed on EC2. The stock AMIS take the top spots by an overwhelming majority, and most of the lower spots are filled with derivatives of the original Ubuntu AMIs. Ubuntu's been working hard in the server/cloud space for a while, between the JeOS effort and subsequent, excellent tools for building customized installations around it. It's not just a brand or that makes them popular; with Ubuntu you get a sane system, style, and toolset for your system images.
- PeterisP 13y ago
  Some anecdotal evidence - our university is running free Linux VM's for research purposes (so, non-graphical remote servers), people can choose what they want, and the majority seem to choose Ubuntu; with CentOS being second place.
pavanky 13y ago
> The majority of desktop installations are either Ubuntu or Ubuntu-based, and Ubuntu is quickly becoming the server of choice as well. Unless you are using unity, I don't see why a distribution should be called ubuntu based instead of debian based. A lot of "Ubuntu derivatives" are not based on unity. Sure Ubuntu has a betteer installer and pretty themes, but the base is undeinably debian.
- Mikeb85 13y ago
  Ubuntu has made more modifications than simply the Unity DE. Is Linux Mint (the regular edition) fully compatible with Debian? Does a Debian server have the same features as an Ubuntu server?
- dragonwriter 13y ago
  > Unless you are using unity, I don't see why a distribution should be called ubuntu based instead of debian based. Because Ubuntu is more than Unity. I mean, by the "Unity or its not Ubuntu-based" standard you propose, Kubuntu (which is exactly Ubuntu -- sharing all the same repos -- with the KDE desktop and apps installed by default) wouldn't be an "Ubuntu-based distribution". Heck, Ubuntu Server, since it doesn't have a default DE at all, wouldn't be an "Ubuntu-based distribution", either.
  - pavanky 13y ago
    Well you'll have to show me what Ubuntu has that Debian does not. Kubuntu, I suspect, is only named because it was originally sponsored by Canonical. Nothing more.
    - dragonwriter 13y ago
      > Well you'll have to show me what Ubuntu has that Debian does not. Ubuntu maintains a set of repositories for each version of Ubuntu, which (even when the same--by name--software is in Debian's official repositories, will often be different versions or otherwise different contents than Debian repos). Kubuntu uses entirely software from the Ubuntu repos from the corresponding version number (e.g., Kubuntu 12.04 uses exactly the same set of repos as Ubuntu 12.04.) You can, in effect, switch from Kubuntu to Ubuntu, or vice versa, just using the apt package manager without changing the base repositories, just installing and removing the right packages from the ubuntu repos. The difference between Kubuntu 12.04 and Ubuntu 12.04 is entirely in which packages, from the Ubuntu "precise" repositories are installed by default. The difference between either and any version of Debian is much greater. The whole "unity or you have to call it 'Debian-based' instead of 'Ubuntu-based'" idea is nonsense.
sebastianavina 13y ago
I've been using linux mint for a couple years now, and I have the feeling that mint is growing more than ubuntu.
- ramidarigaz 13y ago
  Do you have any data to back up that feeling?
  - TheEskimo 13y ago
    If you trust distrowatch's pagehits then yes, it's significantly beating/overtaking ubuntu. http://distrowatch.com/dwres.php?resource=popularity http://distrowatch.com/dwres.php?resource=popularity
    - jbicha 13y ago
      And Mageia is 5 times as popular as Red Hat too, right? ;)

consider_this 13y ago

Canonical is probably primarily focused on recreating the Mir wheel and other Unity/Ubuntu Phone/etc. I doubt a whole hell of a lot of that goes upstream.