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It is not RIGHT. The NFL has the _right_ to sell their content however they like, and they coordinate their blackout rules with the cable channels who pay for

It is not RIGHT. The NFL has the _right_ to sell their content however they like, and they coordinate their blackout rules with the cable channels who pay for them. If you don't like it, the RIGHT action is to pay for cable, buy tickets, or do what I do and go without.

jbooth 13y ago
Substitute "how things ought to be" for right. I'd be willing to pay a fair price, say $20/mo to stream NFL games and watch my out-of-market hometown team. I shouldn't have to pay for $100/mo of services I don't want to get access to them. Ideally, the market would be allowing me to purchase the good that I want, in practice, they have contracts that don't allow them to sell it to me. Talking about "right" in regards to copyright law is a bit sticky given that the entire legal underpinning is 'how long ago do we have to extend it to keep Mickey Mouse in ABC/Disney's IP portfolio".
- koryteg 13y ago
  i know this doesnt help everyone out. but if you have verizon, you can pay $5 a month for mobile streaming most of (if not all) the games. plus if you have an appleTV you can airplay them over to your actual TV. this works well enough for me.
  - dhimes 13y ago
    I still can't get them on my 65" TV though- and I would pay for it. I just don't want to have to get satellite.
jayd16 13y ago
Yeah, well, that's just, like, your opinion, man.
criley2 13y ago
I'm on the fence here. The NFL is not HBO. They're not locking down content and forcing you into old business models to get to their content. The NFL goes to GREAT LENGTHS to make content available to you without cheating. GREAT LENGTHS. * Sunday Ticket is free for DirecTV users * Sunday Ticket is $40/season with the purchase of $60 Madden 25 (meaning, $100/total for the whole season of Sunday Ticket), and does not require a cable/satellite package of any kind * NFL Rewind offers all games and condensed games next-day (not live) for $40/season (or $10/mo) * HDTV Bunny Ears or Aereo will provide local in-market games for free (or the cost of Aereo) * Many games are broadcast online for free on NFL.com or through the website of the network showing the game, like Fox or CBS And I'm sure there are other options, too. My friends and I are discussing the NFL Rewind option, while it's not live, it does include condensed games which is great for fantasy players with lots of players across lots of teams.
- icebraining 13y ago
  Seems odd that you mention Aereo, since that's a whole company essentially doing a trick similar to OP, not exactly an NFL-approved content distribution system.
  - criley2 13y ago
    OTA is an approved content distribution system. How I choose to tune into OTA broadcast is my own business.
    - icebraining 13y ago
      Sure, but it's not exactly a good example of the great lengths the NFL goes to provide content, since it wasn't intended
      - criley2 13y ago
        Which is why it was included in the same line as bunny ears HDTV, which captures 100% of what Aereo does and is free, and supported by the NFL.
- drgath 13y ago
  > Sunday Ticket is free for DirecTV users No, it is $60 per month or $300 / season. > Sunday Ticket is $40/season with the purchase of $60 Madden 25 (meaning, $100/total for the whole season of Sunday Ticket), and does not require a cable/satellite package of any kind That's a little misleading. A) It sold out before the season began. B) The cost is $100, because for people like me who don't own an XBOX or PS3 and bought the game for the coupon, I now have a game I'm never going to play. I shouldn't have any issues selling it, but it will be at a used game price. Also, you are supposed to only be allowed the streaming option only if you can't get DirecTV service, which most people in the US can. IMO, skirting that rule (as I've done) is no better/worse than using a European IP. You are either being dishonest to the NFL, or to DirecTV. > HDTV Bunny Ears or Aereo will provide local in-market games for free (or the cost of Aereo) As they have for 40+ years. This discussion isn't about in-market games, it's for out-of-market. Also, depending on who you talk to (certainly the networks and the NFL), Aereo is considered cheating. > Many games are broadcast online for free on NFL.com or through the website of the network showing the game, like Fox or CBS No, many aren't. Some are. But the key is I want to watch my team every week, and my team (as most) only play a few primetime games per season, which tend to be streamed. To conclude, I'm a avid sports fan who lives out of market, and I pay for the MLB package, the MLS package, various college sports subscriptions, and have paid the $300 for DirecTV NFL Sunday Ticket in the past. I'm happy to pay for my sports, and I'd love to pay the NFL a reasonable price for an NFL package, but since they don't offer one, I have to resort to cheating DirecTV.
snoonan 13y ago
Within a subset of the problem, this is a pretty accurate point, actually. I won't argue it! The reason I feel it's right in a larger sense is in protest of not having a reasonable way to consume the content for this guy. He's being denied service by policy even though he's a willing customer. Yes, they can bar anyone from buying their product and place whatever restrictions they want. Those restrictions, however, are not fair. They can be wrong but within their rights. Protest is a fair way to express yourself. Not buying and doing without is also a form a protest which is fair as well. At least that's my opinion.
baddox 13y ago
> The NFL has the _right_ to sell their content however they like, and they coordinate their blackout rules with the cable channels who pay for them. No one is infringing on that right.

jbooth 13y ago

Substitute "how things ought to be" for right. I'd be willing to pay a fair price, say $20/mo to stream NFL games and watch my out-of-market hometown team. I shouldn't have to pay for $100/mo of services I don't want to get access to them. Ideally, the market would be allowing me to purchase the good that I want, in practice, they have contracts that don't allow them to sell it to me. Talking about "right" in regards to copyright law is a bit sticky given that the entire legal underpinning is 'how long ago do we have to extend it to keep Mickey Mouse in ABC/Disney's IP portfolio".

koryteg 13y ago
i know this doesnt help everyone out. but if you have verizon, you can pay $5 a month for mobile streaming most of (if not all) the games. plus if you have an appleTV you can airplay them over to your actual TV. this works well enough for me.
- dhimes 13y ago
  I still can't get them on my 65" TV though- and I would pay for it. I just don't want to have to get satellite.

jayd16 13y ago

Yeah, well, that's just, like, your opinion, man.

criley2 13y ago

I'm on the fence here. The NFL is not HBO. They're not locking down content and forcing you into old business models to get to their content. The NFL goes to GREAT LENGTHS to make content available to you without cheating. GREAT LENGTHS. * Sunday Ticket is free for DirecTV users * Sunday Ticket is $40/season with the purchase of $60 Madden 25 (meaning, $100/total for the whole season of Sunday Ticket), and does not require a cable/satellite package of any kind * NFL Rewind offers all games and condensed games next-day (not live) for $40/season (or $10/mo) * HDTV Bunny Ears or Aereo will provide local in-market games for free (or the cost of Aereo) * Many games are broadcast online for free on NFL.com or through the website of the network showing the game, like Fox or CBS And I'm sure there are other options, too. My friends and I are discussing the NFL Rewind option, while it's not live, it does include condensed games which is great for fantasy players with lots of players across lots of teams.

icebraining 13y ago
Seems odd that you mention Aereo, since that's a whole company essentially doing a trick similar to OP, not exactly an NFL-approved content distribution system.
- criley2 13y ago
  OTA is an approved content distribution system. How I choose to tune into OTA broadcast is my own business.
  - icebraining 13y ago
    Sure, but it's not exactly a good example of the great lengths the NFL goes to provide content, since it wasn't intended
    - criley2 13y ago
      Which is why it was included in the same line as bunny ears HDTV, which captures 100% of what Aereo does and is free, and supported by the NFL.
drgath 13y ago
> Sunday Ticket is free for DirecTV users No, it is $60 per month or $300 / season. > Sunday Ticket is $40/season with the purchase of $60 Madden 25 (meaning, $100/total for the whole season of Sunday Ticket), and does not require a cable/satellite package of any kind That's a little misleading. A) It sold out before the season began. B) The cost is $100, because for people like me who don't own an XBOX or PS3 and bought the game for the coupon, I now have a game I'm never going to play. I shouldn't have any issues selling it, but it will be at a used game price. Also, you are supposed to only be allowed the streaming option only if you can't get DirecTV service, which most people in the US can. IMO, skirting that rule (as I've done) is no better/worse than using a European IP. You are either being dishonest to the NFL, or to DirecTV. > HDTV Bunny Ears or Aereo will provide local in-market games for free (or the cost of Aereo) As they have for 40+ years. This discussion isn't about in-market games, it's for out-of-market. Also, depending on who you talk to (certainly the networks and the NFL), Aereo is considered cheating. > Many games are broadcast online for free on NFL.com or through the website of the network showing the game, like Fox or CBS No, many aren't. Some are. But the key is I want to watch my team every week, and my team (as most) only play a few primetime games per season, which tend to be streamed. To conclude, I'm a avid sports fan who lives out of market, and I pay for the MLB package, the MLS package, various college sports subscriptions, and have paid the $300 for DirecTV NFL Sunday Ticket in the past. I'm happy to pay for my sports, and I'd love to pay the NFL a reasonable price for an NFL package, but since they don't offer one, I have to resort to cheating DirecTV.

snoonan 13y ago

Within a subset of the problem, this is a pretty accurate point, actually. I won't argue it! The reason I feel it's right in a larger sense is in protest of not having a reasonable way to consume the content for this guy. He's being denied service by policy even though he's a willing customer. Yes, they can bar anyone from buying their product and place whatever restrictions they want. Those restrictions, however, are not fair. They can be wrong but within their rights. Protest is a fair way to express yourself. Not buying and doing without is also a form a protest which is fair as well. At least that's my opinion.

baddox 13y ago

> The NFL has the _right_ to sell their content however they like, and they coordinate their blackout rules with the cable channels who pay for them. No one is infringing on that right.