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The Manhattan / New Zealand comparison is interesting to me, having lived and worked in and around NYC all my life. New Zealand is not that much bigger than the
by DougWebb 13y ago
The Manhattan / New Zealand comparison is interesting to me, having lived and worked in and around NYC all my life. New Zealand is not that much bigger than the US Eastern Seaboard metro area, which extends from Washington DC to Boston. If you extend that a bit further, from Virginia Beach VA to Portland ME, and extended it inland about as wide as New Jersey for the whole stretch, that's a pretty good match.
A NYC-density city that large would be interesting. It would need rapid mass transit throughout with high-speed lines connecting with local hubs. That would be doable if you're rebuilding the entire area. (Amtrak hasn't been able to build high speed rail because they're stuck using the existing railways which aren't straight enough.) Presumably a lot of traffic could be reduced by replacing all of the highways with mass transit, which would be feasible if the whole area was that densely populated. Again, it hasn't been done now because all public transit around the big cities is designed to get you into and out of the cities; if your destination is anyplace else you have to drive yourself. It's much better within NYC where public transit goes everywhere.
NYC, dense as it is, still has lots of open parkland. I think it would be quite livable even at the scale we're talking about. Of course people would still need to be able to get out of the city for a break; I imagine the whole western edge of the giant city would be public nature reserves with plenty of mass-transit access.
Of course not everyone would live within the city; there would need to be farms and farmers to feed everyone. Most of the US and southern portions of Canada would be farmland (much as it is today, in fact) and there would be plantations scattered around the rest of the world too wherever the weather is suited to various crops. Much of the world would still be left to nature, I think. If we're at the point technologically and socially where we can move nearly everyone into a megacity, we should also be able to create very high efficiency hydroponic farms that could produce many crops much more densely than a standard farm can. Large areas would only be needed for animals and crops that can't be grown hydroponically.
We'd need power too... lots of it. Keeping everyone in a relatively small area would help, but I'll bet the average power usage per-person across the globe is less than the average usage per New Yorker today, and in the megacity everyone would be moved to the New Yorker level. Maybe all of the unfarmable areas in Canada can be filled up with Nuclear powerplants.
- jacquesm 13y ago> A NYC-density city that large would be interesting. I'd hate to live in a place that large and dense, it sounds like an excellent place for the next avian flu or ebola outbreak. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mathematical_modelling_of_infectious_disease http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mathematical_modelling_of_infec... It's all about the surface, the number of uninfected people in the pool that are susceptible x the interactions with infected people. In a place like that this would be a massive lurking danger. (and there are cities that get pretty close to this and I really wonder how long that lottery will hold).
- DougWebb 13y agoNYC is already that dense, and much of Asia is even denser, and those epidemics haven't wiped out populations yet. Part of the assumption (mine, at least) is that we're talking about NYC-quality infrastructure too: water, waste management, health management, law enforcement, emergency services, etc. The megacity would have the resources and facilities to identify a disease like that as soon as cases started to show up, and contain and treat the problem before it got out of control. Those diseases would also be less likely to show up in the first place because of better living conditions for everyone. Here's a drawback: what would everyone do for a living? NYC doesn't have much manufacturing anymore, and industry like that takes up space. It would have to be outside the city, and people working for manufacturing industries would have to live near the factories. Farmers would live outside too, as I mentioned before. Fishermen too. There's probably a bunch of other activities that would require people to live outside the city, so not everyone would be a city dweller. Probably a good 80%+ would be able to stay in the city though.
- njharman 13y agoThe density of Manhatten, NY would take up all of New Zeeland put into perspective how many freaking people on the world there is. Manhatten is DENSE, and NZ is not small. Wow.