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"My webhoster (WebFaction) receives mail for all my domains. My Synology retrieves mail every 5 minutes via POP (you can set this up via Roundcube on the Synolo

by plg 13y ago

"My webhoster (WebFaction) receives mail for all my domains. My Synology retrieves mail every 5 minutes via POP (you can set this up via Roundcube on the Synology) and deletes it from WebFaction." but even if you can delete your mail from your mailhost after downloading it to your private machine, isn't the point that the NSA probably collected the email before it even hit your mailhost?

tokenizer 13y ago
I think you're right. Even moving your mail or web server to another country won't help deter the actual collection with prism. However, I think responses like this create tension between the companies agreeing to give their information, and the government. If google, yahoo, and facebook start to lose money they might potentially fight legislation like this going forward and may advocate in reverting these policies.
- reustle 13y ago
  This is probably the biggest thing we need to work towards. Sure, leaving gmail might be painful and it might not really help us out in the end (regarding preventing spying) but hurting the big players enough for them to move into offense mode is a great scenario.
  - chronolitus 13y ago
    Reading this comment made me feel uneasy, and I couldn't tell why. After giving it some thought, I found the reason. There is nothing wrong with the argument, it is sound logic, and reasonable. In fact, I agree with it. No, this comment made me recoil because for a second, it made me envision a reality where our political influence, as people, can only be exercised through corporations. And, (maybe, I confess, because I am so deep into the lecture of cloud atlas) I can't help but sense that it is a dangerous road to be embarked on. But these are just my two cents...
pja 13y ago
That probably depends on whether your ISP's mailserver uses opportunistic encryption. Any email I send to Google from my mailserver is always sent over a TLS-encrypted connection for instance, because Google's mailservers agree to encrypt where possible. In this scenario, the NSA wiretaps will get direct access to any email sent over unencrypted connections to the ISP mailserver, but they'll have to work harder to get at the encrypted data. Of course, as we know they've suborned the encryption used by many, many organisations so this is no guarantee of protection against an NSA fishing expedition, but it's a lot better than nothing.
takluyver 13y ago
I haven't looked at the revelations in detail, but I don't think they're recording copies of every e-mail they intercept to anyone. If your account is already of interest to them, they're probably watching your e-mails, but if they take an interest in it 10 years in the future, that's when they go to GMail and grab all your past e-mails. So storing your e-mails on a computer you control probably still has some effect for most of us.

by plg 13y ago

tokenizer 13y ago

I think you're right. Even moving your mail or web server to another country won't help deter the actual collection with prism. However, I think responses like this create tension between the companies agreeing to give their information, and the government. If google, yahoo, and facebook start to lose money they might potentially fight legislation like this going forward and may advocate in reverting these policies.

reustle 13y ago
This is probably the biggest thing we need to work towards. Sure, leaving gmail might be painful and it might not really help us out in the end (regarding preventing spying) but hurting the big players enough for them to move into offense mode is a great scenario.
- chronolitus 13y ago
  Reading this comment made me feel uneasy, and I couldn't tell why. After giving it some thought, I found the reason. There is nothing wrong with the argument, it is sound logic, and reasonable. In fact, I agree with it. No, this comment made me recoil because for a second, it made me envision a reality where our political influence, as people, can only be exercised through corporations. And, (maybe, I confess, because I am so deep into the lecture of cloud atlas) I can't help but sense that it is a dangerous road to be embarked on. But these are just my two cents...

pja 13y ago

That probably depends on whether your ISP's mailserver uses opportunistic encryption. Any email I send to Google from my mailserver is always sent over a TLS-encrypted connection for instance, because Google's mailservers agree to encrypt where possible. In this scenario, the NSA wiretaps will get direct access to any email sent over unencrypted connections to the ISP mailserver, but they'll have to work harder to get at the encrypted data. Of course, as we know they've suborned the encryption used by many, many organisations so this is no guarantee of protection against an NSA fishing expedition, but it's a lot better than nothing.

takluyver 13y ago

I haven't looked at the revelations in detail, but I don't think they're recording copies of every e-mail they intercept to anyone. If your account is already of interest to them, they're probably watching your e-mails, but if they take an interest in it 10 years in the future, that's when they go to GMail and grab all your past e-mails. So storing your e-mails on a computer you control probably still has some effect for most of us.