Exactly..take Symfony2 for example, which creates clean and maintainable PHP code using very modern methodologies. You have package management, ORMs, ODMs, Temp

Exactly..take Symfony2 for example, which creates clean and maintainable PHP code using very modern methodologies. You have package management, ORMs, ODMs, Template engines, coding standards and a huge community that produce high quality Bundles (like plugins) that you can integrate into your project. Id even argue its better than Django or Rails nowadays.