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I agree, I had a bit of a laugh when he called WordPress "grown up". I suspect he was just trying to be polite to WordPress fans. I've had to deal with a lot o

by akamaka 13y ago

I agree, I had a bit of a laugh when he called WordPress "grown up". I suspect he was just trying to be polite to WordPress fans. I've had to deal with a lot of ugly WordPress hacks when maintaining legacy sites, and I'm convinced that anyone who defends it simply hasn't seen anything better. Personally, I've been using ProcessWire for the last year, and I'm very happy with it. Although it doesn't do everything that WordPress does, it's extremely clean and simple to work with.

EnderMB 13y ago
Most of my freelance work has been "saving" fairly new WordPress sites that just haven't worked out for clients. I think you're absolutely spot on when you say that it's mostly people who haven't seen any better. There seems to be a real cult behind the use of WordPress as a CMS, and after working with some of the developers that have delivered the first WP sites nearly every single one of them seems sold on WordPress being the only tool required to rapidly build a website. As a tool, WordPress does work, but the plugin-driven development nature of WordPress leads to some horrendous problems, ones that were solved years ago on other platforms. It also tends to attract a large number of poor developers. More often than not, I use Umbraco for sites that need a CMS, or Django when the site has been hacked to handle an application, almost effectively scrapping most of the existing code, and the clients are always happy and have a much faster website.
egeozcan 13y ago
I'd also suggest everyone to give ProcessWire a go. It has a really nice API and works nicely behind Varnish.
- christoph 13y ago
  I completely agree with this. It's my go-to CMS for almost everything these days. I've yet to really hit any problems it doesn't help me easily solve. Even a client completely changing their mind about site structure part-way through is rarely a headache these days. It just works perfectly for 90%+ of all things clients pay me to do. The final code is generally also very clean and well structured as well.

by akamaka 13y ago

EnderMB 13y ago

Most of my freelance work has been "saving" fairly new WordPress sites that just haven't worked out for clients. I think you're absolutely spot on when you say that it's mostly people who haven't seen any better. There seems to be a real cult behind the use of WordPress as a CMS, and after working with some of the developers that have delivered the first WP sites nearly every single one of them seems sold on WordPress being the only tool required to rapidly build a website. As a tool, WordPress does work, but the plugin-driven development nature of WordPress leads to some horrendous problems, ones that were solved years ago on other platforms. It also tends to attract a large number of poor developers. More often than not, I use Umbraco for sites that need a CMS, or Django when the site has been hacked to handle an application, almost effectively scrapping most of the existing code, and the clients are always happy and have a much faster website.

egeozcan 13y ago

I'd also suggest everyone to give ProcessWire a go. It has a really nice API and works nicely behind Varnish.

christoph 13y ago
I completely agree with this. It's my go-to CMS for almost everything these days. I've yet to really hit any problems it doesn't help me easily solve. Even a client completely changing their mind about site structure part-way through is rarely a headache these days. It just works perfectly for 90%+ of all things clients pay me to do. The final code is generally also very clean and well structured as well.