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That's not what Nietzsche said. He said that Christianity (not Judeo-Christianity iirc) is a slave morality. It preaches equality N. says and only a slave or a

That's not what Nietzsche said. He said that Christianity (not Judeo-Christianity iirc) is a slave morality. It preaches equality N. says and only a slave or an underling would preach equality and they do so because they have less than their masters. So in that way it is a self-interested morality (if you accept it was advocated by an underclass). He contrasts this with a master morality (might is right basically). What is ethics or morality? It's what values you hold and project onto the world, correct? So I guess N. is saying that these values are subject to your socio-economic place in the world. That's quite materialist -- like Marx, who said more or less the same thing except that Marx said that the material conditions of your (as a class) existence shape your ideology. I think the text to look at for N. is "On The Genealogy of Morals" and the text for Marx is "The German Ideology". Regarding the provenance of deconstruction. I'm not about to read "Of Grammatology" any time soon but you are the first person I've heard to assert the Heidegger should be given credit so you need to, you know, cite your source please.

forkandwait 13y ago
In Beyond Good and Evil he talks about how the slave morality of Judeo-Christianity brilliantly overthrew its masters. Go look it up. Derrida read a lot of Heidegger, even wrote some essays on him before Gramma-whatever. Heidegger used the german phrase "destruktion" of the basic ontology of western society. Go look that up too.
- igravious 13y ago
  Yes (ok) he talks about the concept of master/slave morality in Beyond Good and Evil but he talks about a lot of other stuff in that book. He also talks about it in Human, All Too Human and probably other places. I don't remember off the top of my head. But where he explores it at length is in On the Genealogy of Morals. The title's a bit of a giveaway. I've read Beyond Good and Evil a number of times, and I'm sure I'll read it many more times before my number is up, I don't need you to tell me that :-) The only bit of Heidegger I'm going to read is his where he talks about technology. Other than that I'm going to give him a wide enough berth because I don't like his writing style. He can be as profound as he likes and he can destruct whatever ontologies he's into but after having flipped through a bit of Being and Time I have to say no thanks. And in fairness destruktion is not de_construction_. You still haven't told me where to look it up though. Chapter and verse and all that, no? edit: ok, so FreakLegion[1] hereabouts has some pointers and I used my Google-fu and got this[2] which looks helpful. But even that says that Derrida got inspiration but that the terms are not used in the same sense. [1] https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=6390545 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=6390545 [2] http://www.iep.utm.edu/deconst/ http://www.iep.utm.edu/deconst/
  - forkandwait 13y ago
    When you say something like "The only bit of Heidegger I am going read" to absolve me from any responsibility of quoting you chapter and verse. Not that I would anyway -- I don't really care if I convince anyone -- if what I say is something you can build on, cool, if not, that is cool too.
    - igravious 13y ago
      Because of what I'm studying. Digital culture, cybernetics, science/humanities divide, technology, implications thereof... I've discovered that Heidegger is a go-to source when it comes to musings on technology so I know I'm going to be reading that whatever it is (I' m pretty sure it's not Being and Time). I don't have time to read all of B+T because (a) I'm not into the style, and (b) it's a major work that is not related to my studies. So I just want the part that talks about destruktion but it's ok FreakLegion told me so you don't have to.

forkandwait 13y ago

In Beyond Good and Evil he talks about how the slave morality of Judeo-Christianity brilliantly overthrew its masters. Go look it up. Derrida read a lot of Heidegger, even wrote some essays on him before Gramma-whatever. Heidegger used the german phrase "destruktion" of the basic ontology of western society. Go look that up too.

igravious 13y ago
Yes (ok) he talks about the concept of master/slave morality in Beyond Good and Evil but he talks about a lot of other stuff in that book. He also talks about it in Human, All Too Human and probably other places. I don't remember off the top of my head. But where he explores it at length is in On the Genealogy of Morals. The title's a bit of a giveaway. I've read Beyond Good and Evil a number of times, and I'm sure I'll read it many more times before my number is up, I don't need you to tell me that :-) The only bit of Heidegger I'm going to read is his where he talks about technology. Other than that I'm going to give him a wide enough berth because I don't like his writing style. He can be as profound as he likes and he can destruct whatever ontologies he's into but after having flipped through a bit of Being and Time I have to say no thanks. And in fairness destruktion is not de_construction_. You still haven't told me where to look it up though. Chapter and verse and all that, no? edit: ok, so FreakLegion[1] hereabouts has some pointers and I used my Google-fu and got this[2] which looks helpful. But even that says that Derrida got inspiration but that the terms are not used in the same sense. [1] https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=6390545 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=6390545 [2] http://www.iep.utm.edu/deconst/ http://www.iep.utm.edu/deconst/
- forkandwait 13y ago
  When you say something like "The only bit of Heidegger I am going read" to absolve me from any responsibility of quoting you chapter and verse. Not that I would anyway -- I don't really care if I convince anyone -- if what I say is something you can build on, cool, if not, that is cool too.
  - igravious 13y ago
    Because of what I'm studying. Digital culture, cybernetics, science/humanities divide, technology, implications thereof... I've discovered that Heidegger is a go-to source when it comes to musings on technology so I know I'm going to be reading that whatever it is (I' m pretty sure it's not Being and Time). I don't have time to read all of B+T because (a) I'm not into the style, and (b) it's a major work that is not related to my studies. So I just want the part that talks about destruktion but it's ok FreakLegion told me so you don't have to.