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"But we always kill those good guys who try and tell us that -- ever notice that?" Not sure what he is referring to.
by Aron 17y ago
"But we always kill those good guys who try and tell us that -- ever notice that?"
Not sure what he is referring to.
- martythemaniak 17y agoA world based on the idea of constant growth and rabid consumerism doesn't look kindly on people who preach the opposite. He could have been referring to any number of people - Ghandi, MLK, (Jefferson's) Jesus etc.
- TomOfTTB 17y agoOh give me a break. All your examples are hugely popular people (except maybe Jefferson's Jesus but Jefferson himself was hugely popular). Millions of people love and support these men then one nut job kills them and you conclude society didn't look kindly on them? Both men had thousands upon thousands of people attend their funerals (I know MLK was 22,000+ and I understand Ghandi had even more) Ghandi and MLK both have holidays dedicated to them for God's sakes (in their respective countries). They were so beloved that they caused an ENTIRE NATION to change it's beliefs. While Jefferson routinely ranks near the top in lists of greatest Presidents. In fact, the men being named here are almost universally considered men that no one thinks badly of. They're modern day heroes. To say society doesn't look fondly on them is ridiculous.
- branden 17y agoBut to say society didn't look fondly on them is accurate. Each was a controversial figure in his time, and each was assassinated or executed. Only after they've died have they been accepted as heroes.
- bokonist 17y agoWhich society? The left loved both Ghandi and MLK. The right not so much. The left ended up winning and wrote the history, so now everyone views them as heroes. In Ghandhi's case at least, I think the right was right ( read http://history.eserver.org/ghandi-nobody-knows.txt http://history.eserver.org/ghandi-nobody-knows.txt or http://www.amazon.com/Thy-Hand-Great-Anarch-1921-1952/dp/020115577X http://www.amazon.com/Thy-Hand-Great-Anarch-1921-1952/dp/020... )
- TomOfTTB 17y agoI don't think it's a right/left issue. MLK for example was a Republican who even endorsed Richard Nixon (though in fairness he died before Nixon ever actually took office and his opinion might have changed significanlty after seeing that) I don't think this was a political issue. I think MLK fought against a very dedicated group of racists but I think institutional racism was something the majority of people were against in MLK's time. Both on the Right and On the Left. The sad truth about society is that evil does appear to win when good men do nothing and I think that's why people have a mis-shapen view of the majority opinion back then. As for Ghandi he was an extreme leftist. He gave this advice to Britain during WWII... I want you to lay down the arms you have as being useless for saving you or humanity. You will invite Herr Hitler and Signor Mussolini to take what they want of the countries you call your possessions. Let them take possession of your beautiful island with your many beautiful buildings... If these gentlemen choose to occupy your homes, you will vacate them. If they do not give you free passage out, you will allow yourself, man, woman and child to be slaughtered To me that's left of even the most extreme leftist in the modern day political arena.
- bokonist 17y agoI said left-right, not Republican-Democrat. Left versus right hasn't always matched up with party politics. The Dixiecrats were basically still on the right before 1970. Leaders and institutions on the right - Buckley, Goldwater, the John Birch Society - were originally against the civil rights movement. Many have since changed their mind, some have not. Ghandi was indeed an extreme leftist. He is held up by the modern left as a man of vision and ideals, even if they do not agree with all of his positions 100%.
- pj 17y agoChurchill despised Ghandi.
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