Yes the Lisp > Blub argument is usually presented with the assumption that the opposing argument is that Blub > Lisp or at least that Blub = Lisp. In fact the a

Yes the Lisp > Blub argument is usually presented with the assumption that the opposing argument is that Blub > Lisp or at least that Blub = Lisp. In fact the argument is actually that Blub provides access to a vast ecosystem of algorithms written by world class programmers, each specialized in their particular domain, and therefore it's actually mathematics and algorithms (via Blub) > Lisp and self-implementation of those algorithms; or you could restate that as the efforts of scores of world class programmers > than my own efforts. Perhaps Clojure settles that gap by linking a Lisp to the JVM ecosystem, but historically that wasn't the case in these arguments.