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Are you saying there are no jobs? I just looked up on craigslist, and there are tons of postings for unskilled jobs, such as delivery, servers, greeters, waite

by rorrr2 13y ago

Are you saying there are no jobs? I just looked up on craigslist, and there are tons of postings for unskilled jobs, such as delivery, servers, greeters, waiters, busboys, hosts, runners, coat checkers, etc. If you have any skills, there are even more options.

thenomad 13y ago
"There are jobs available" != "There are enough jobs for everyone".
- rorrr2 13y ago
  If these jobs are always available, that's exactly what it means. If your talking points were true, there would be no job postings in such numbers. In fact, there's a shortage of unskilled labor, particularly in farming, where they need harvesters, pickers, pruners, packers and can't find nearly enough. http://goldrushcam.com/sierrasuntimes/index.php/news/mariposa-daily-news-2013/158-september/10017-us-senator-dianne-feinstein-urges-ice-to-focus-on-criminals http://goldrushcam.com/sierrasuntimes/index.php/news/maripos... Think about $300K jobs - there definitely aren't enough for everyone, but they do exist. Do you see many 300K job postings? Nope, they get taken so fast, there's no need to post them.
  - notahacker 13y ago
    It's a stone cold certainty that companies actually spend longer filling $300k vacancies (careful selection and vetting from a defined list of suitable people) than unskilled labour (advertise, hire first adequate candidate(s), don't take ads down). A shortage of suitable candidates is one of the main reasons why the $300k jobs are $300k, after all. Sure, the supply of minimum wage jobs is vast, but it also tends to be lower than the demand for them, hence paying minimum wage. I don't think a two week farm job at harvest time is much use to the average member of the urban poor
  - rorrr2 13y ago
    @notahacker: You know the difference between me and you? I provided citations, and you provided your opinion. Here, a Bereau of Labor Statistics estimates we will need 3 million more unskilled laborers (jobs that do not require a high school degree) this decade. http://www.bls.gov/ooh/about/projections-overview.htm http://www.bls.gov/ooh/about/projections-overview.htm This pretty much destroys your narrative.
    - thenomad 13y ago
      Erm, not really seeing your point there. How does a projection that in the next 10 years we'll need more unskilled laborers prove that right now there are enough jobs for everyone?
  - kaonashi 13y ago
    Number of openings < number of seekers. It's not really a hard concept to grasp.
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by rorrr2 13y ago

thenomad 13y ago

"There are jobs available" != "There are enough jobs for everyone".

rorrr2 13y ago
If these jobs are always available, that's exactly what it means. If your talking points were true, there would be no job postings in such numbers. In fact, there's a shortage of unskilled labor, particularly in farming, where they need harvesters, pickers, pruners, packers and can't find nearly enough. http://goldrushcam.com/sierrasuntimes/index.php/news/mariposa-daily-news-2013/158-september/10017-us-senator-dianne-feinstein-urges-ice-to-focus-on-criminals http://goldrushcam.com/sierrasuntimes/index.php/news/maripos... Think about $300K jobs - there definitely aren't enough for everyone, but they do exist. Do you see many 300K job postings? Nope, they get taken so fast, there's no need to post them.
- notahacker 13y ago
  It's a stone cold certainty that companies actually spend longer filling $300k vacancies (careful selection and vetting from a defined list of suitable people) than unskilled labour (advertise, hire first adequate candidate(s), don't take ads down). A shortage of suitable candidates is one of the main reasons why the $300k jobs are $300k, after all. Sure, the supply of minimum wage jobs is vast, but it also tends to be lower than the demand for them, hence paying minimum wage. I don't think a two week farm job at harvest time is much use to the average member of the urban poor
- rorrr2 13y ago
  @notahacker: You know the difference between me and you? I provided citations, and you provided your opinion. Here, a Bereau of Labor Statistics estimates we will need 3 million more unskilled laborers (jobs that do not require a high school degree) this decade. http://www.bls.gov/ooh/about/projections-overview.htm http://www.bls.gov/ooh/about/projections-overview.htm This pretty much destroys your narrative.
  - thenomad 13y ago
    Erm, not really seeing your point there. How does a projection that in the next 10 years we'll need more unskilled laborers prove that right now there are enough jobs for everyone?
- kaonashi 13y ago
  Number of openings < number of seekers. It's not really a hard concept to grasp.

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