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Getting a minimum wage job would instantly up your budget from $31.50/week to $320/week ($282.75 take home after taxes), and even more if you're willing to work

by rorrr2 13y ago

Getting a minimum wage job would instantly up your budget from $31.50/week to $320/week ($282.75 take home after taxes), and even more if you're willing to work more than 40 hours. If you are incapable of getting a minimum wage job, you are either lazy or disabled or mentally ill. Heck, I know disabled people working for much more than minimum wage.

kaonashi 13y ago
Involuntary unemployment is at 7%; it's a macro issue.
- rorrr2 13y ago
  Are you saying there are no jobs? I just looked up on craigslist, and there are tons of postings for unskilled jobs, such as delivery, servers, greeters, waiters, busboys, hosts, runners, coat checkers, etc. If you have any skills, there are even more options.
  - thenomad 13y ago
    "There are jobs available" != "There are enough jobs for everyone".
    - rorrr2 13y ago
      If these jobs are always available, that's exactly what it means. If your talking points were true, there would be no job postings in such numbers. In fact, there's a shortage of unskilled labor, particularly in farming, where they need harvesters, pickers, pruners, packers and can't find nearly enough. http://goldrushcam.com/sierrasuntimes/index.php/news/mariposa-daily-news-2013/158-september/10017-us-senator-dianne-feinstein-urges-ice-to-focus-on-criminals http://goldrushcam.com/sierrasuntimes/index.php/news/maripos... Think about $300K jobs - there definitely aren't enough for everyone, but they do exist. Do you see many 300K job postings? Nope, they get taken so fast, there's no need to post them.
      - notahacker 13y ago
        It's a stone cold certainty that companies actually spend longer filling $300k vacancies (careful selection and vetting from a defined list of suitable people) than unskilled labour (advertise, hire first adequate candidate(s), don't take ads down). A shortage of suitable candidates is one of the main reasons why the $300k jobs are $300k, after all. Sure, the supply of minimum wage jobs is vast, but it also tends to be lower than the demand for them, hence paying minimum wage. I don't think a two week farm job at harvest time is much use to the average member of the urban poor
      - rorrr2 13y ago
        @notahacker: You know the difference between me and you? I provided citations, and you provided your opinion. Here, a Bereau of Labor Statistics estimates we will need 3 million more unskilled laborers (jobs that do not require a high school degree) this decade. http://www.bls.gov/ooh/about/projections-overview.htm http://www.bls.gov/ooh/about/projections-overview.htm This pretty much destroys your narrative.
        thenomad 13y ago
        Erm, not really seeing your point there. How does a projection that in the next 10 years we'll need more unskilled laborers prove that right now there are enough jobs for everyone?
      - kaonashi 13y ago
        Number of openings < number of seekers. It's not really a hard concept to grasp.
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anu_gupta 13y ago
Just downvote this, no point responding to trolls.
thenomad 13y ago
"If you are incapable of getting a minimum wage job, you are either lazy or disabled or mentally ill." I hate to say [[citation needed]], but I really think that if you're going to make an absolute statement which completely dismisses a massive source of suffering, you need to prove it in some convincing way. "I know disabled people working for much more than minimum wage." ...and therefore all people, disabled or not, can find minimum-wage work? Logical fallacy.
- rorrr2 13y ago
  Are you saying there are no jobs? I just looked up op craigslist, and there are tons of postings for unskilled jobs, such as delivery, servers, greeters, waiters, busboys, hosts, runners, coat checkers, etc. If you have any skills, there are even more options.
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  - thenomad 13y ago
    No, I'm saying "if you're going to make an absolute statement which completely dismisses a massive source of suffering, you need to prove it in some convincing way." So far you have said "I just looked up op craigslist, and there are tons of postings for unskilled jobs" and "I know disabled people working for much more than minimum wage." Neither of these anecdotes comes close to being proof, or even significant evidence, that "If you are incapable of getting a minimum wage job, you are either lazy or disabled or mentally ill."

by rorrr2 13y ago

kaonashi 13y ago

Involuntary unemployment is at 7%; it's a macro issue.

rorrr2 13y ago
Are you saying there are no jobs? I just looked up on craigslist, and there are tons of postings for unskilled jobs, such as delivery, servers, greeters, waiters, busboys, hosts, runners, coat checkers, etc. If you have any skills, there are even more options.
- thenomad 13y ago
  "There are jobs available" != "There are enough jobs for everyone".
  - rorrr2 13y ago
    If these jobs are always available, that's exactly what it means. If your talking points were true, there would be no job postings in such numbers. In fact, there's a shortage of unskilled labor, particularly in farming, where they need harvesters, pickers, pruners, packers and can't find nearly enough. http://goldrushcam.com/sierrasuntimes/index.php/news/mariposa-daily-news-2013/158-september/10017-us-senator-dianne-feinstein-urges-ice-to-focus-on-criminals http://goldrushcam.com/sierrasuntimes/index.php/news/maripos... Think about $300K jobs - there definitely aren't enough for everyone, but they do exist. Do you see many 300K job postings? Nope, they get taken so fast, there's no need to post them.
    - notahacker 13y ago
      It's a stone cold certainty that companies actually spend longer filling $300k vacancies (careful selection and vetting from a defined list of suitable people) than unskilled labour (advertise, hire first adequate candidate(s), don't take ads down). A shortage of suitable candidates is one of the main reasons why the $300k jobs are $300k, after all. Sure, the supply of minimum wage jobs is vast, but it also tends to be lower than the demand for them, hence paying minimum wage. I don't think a two week farm job at harvest time is much use to the average member of the urban poor
    - rorrr2 13y ago
      @notahacker: You know the difference between me and you? I provided citations, and you provided your opinion. Here, a Bereau of Labor Statistics estimates we will need 3 million more unskilled laborers (jobs that do not require a high school degree) this decade. http://www.bls.gov/ooh/about/projections-overview.htm http://www.bls.gov/ooh/about/projections-overview.htm This pretty much destroys your narrative.
      - thenomad 13y ago
        Erm, not really seeing your point there. How does a projection that in the next 10 years we'll need more unskilled laborers prove that right now there are enough jobs for everyone?
    - kaonashi 13y ago
      Number of openings < number of seekers. It's not really a hard concept to grasp.
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anu_gupta 13y ago

Just downvote this, no point responding to trolls.

thenomad 13y ago

"If you are incapable of getting a minimum wage job, you are either lazy or disabled or mentally ill." I hate to say [[citation needed]], but I really think that if you're going to make an absolute statement which completely dismisses a massive source of suffering, you need to prove it in some convincing way. "I know disabled people working for much more than minimum wage." ...and therefore all people, disabled or not, can find minimum-wage work? Logical fallacy.

rorrr2 13y ago
Are you saying there are no jobs? I just looked up op craigslist, and there are tons of postings for unskilled jobs, such as delivery, servers, greeters, waiters, busboys, hosts, runners, coat checkers, etc. If you have any skills, there are even more options.
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- thenomad 13y ago
  No, I'm saying "if you're going to make an absolute statement which completely dismisses a massive source of suffering, you need to prove it in some convincing way." So far you have said "I just looked up op craigslist, and there are tons of postings for unskilled jobs" and "I know disabled people working for much more than minimum wage." Neither of these anecdotes comes close to being proof, or even significant evidence, that "If you are incapable of getting a minimum wage job, you are either lazy or disabled or mentally ill."