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"It is all here http://pubs.acs.org/doi/abs/10.1021/jp406274e http://pubs.acs.org/doi/abs/10.1021/jp406274e http://pubs.acs.org/doi/abs/10.1021/jp406273p" http

by MrMeker 13y ago

"It is all here http://pubs.acs.org/doi/abs/10.1021/jp406274e http://pubs.acs.org/doi/abs/10.1021/jp406274e http://pubs.acs.org/doi/abs/10.1021/jp406273p" http://pubs.acs.org/doi/abs/10.1021/jp406273p" (click) "Your current credentials do not allow retrieval of the full text. Purchase This Content Choose from the following options: $35.00 for 48 hours of access Members, log in with your ACS ID to see your reduced price." Every. Single. Time. I have ever tried to read a scientific paper, this is what happens. It's complete crap. The research was done in a national laboratory, under public funding. I should be able to read this. Fortunately, I am now a university student so I will see if the library can help me with this.

dnautics 13y ago
only NIH has open access requirements, and they only kick in one year after publication. Could ask Ilya to authorchoice it, which is ACS's open-access option (costs $800 a pop).
- antihero 13y ago
  It's just a bunch of text and diagrams. Can't they stick it on a $5 DO VM or even Dropbox? Why do people bother with these crappy hosting services that require people to pay to see your content? I am honestly asking what these people actually offer other than hosting. I'm totally up for setting up a little web app for hosting scientific papers, but what would be preventing me from competing with these people?
  - testbro 13y ago
    Scientific publishing isn't just about putting stuff somewhere for people to read it. Publishers, through their parasitic relationship with academia, have kept themselves relevant through the critical mass of people continuing to use them. The purpose served by publishers isn't really the hosting of articles, it's the names of journals the publishers own which carries an implication that top-tier journals get better reviewers and therefore higher quality articles. As long as academia values impact factor and journal rankings, the parasite can subsist. Most academics tend to self-host preprints, or stick them on arXiv so the publisher as a hosting service isn't really the "value-add" offered.
    - dnautics 13y ago
      >Most academics tend to self-host preprints, or stick them on arXiv so the publisher as a hosting service isn't really the "value-add" offered. That is not true for chemistry or biology. Tell them what arXiv is and they will say, huh?
  - raphman 13y ago
    This "hosting service" is an academic journal. They do not only host the document but also organize review of submitted papers, edit the document for publication, and ensure long-term archival of published works. And - most important for academic researchers - publishing in a respected journal improves your reputation. Once your paper gets published, you essentially sign away most rights to the publisher (see also the comment on Open Access in this discussion thread). Whether these publishers contribute enough to warrant the high price of their publications is debatable.
educating 13y ago
There should be the equivalent of wikileaks for scientific papers- a site where you can anonymously post them and their abstract. While I understand someone has to pay for hosting, archiving, validation- people should be allowed to view things like this freely. Otherwise, what is the point of research you wish to share with the public? Even viewing the paper as images with watermarks would be better than nothing.
- sambeau 13y ago
  Great young men have thought alike: http://ia600808.us.archive.org/17/items/GuerillaOpenAccessManifesto/Goamjuly2008.pdf http://ia600808.us.archive.org/17/items/GuerillaOpenAccessMa... sigh
- derefr 13y ago
  I don't know about anonymously -- why not just the centuries-old library model? We pay for an organization; the organization licenses the works; the organization lends out the works for free.
  - tekacs 13y ago
    The current problem being that subscribed to an institution which has a library with the funds to pay for these things is currently either expensive or hard to get oneself affiliated with without lots of requirements and quirks. :/ I have access through my home institution, but I'm already dreading being suddenly cut-off from all of this information when I leave :/ - the idea that upon leaving the institution my ability or willingness to read existing content and contribute back should disappear is bothersome, to say the least.
- mistercow 13y ago
  My understanding is that many journals embed metadata about you when you download the full text of an article. If that's true, it would be crucial to make sure that it got stripped automatically when uploaded to such a site.
- kaybe 13y ago
  Many authors in physics, mathematics and others post a pre-print version of their papers to http://arxiv.org/ http://arxiv.org/.
ParahSailin 13y ago
http://libgen.org/scimag5/10.1021/jp406274e.pdf http://libgen.org/scimag5/10.1021/jp406274e.pdf http://libgen.org/scimag5/10.1021/jp406273p.pdf http://libgen.org/scimag5/10.1021/jp406273p.pdf
mistercow 13y ago
>Fortunately, I am now a university student so I will see if the library can help me with this. Many universities have a proxy site you can use to access journal articles without having to physically be on campus. You should find out if yours does this. I wish I had looked into it when I was a student. I had no idea the privilege I was letting slip away.

by MrMeker 13y ago

dnautics 13y ago

only NIH has open access requirements, and they only kick in one year after publication. Could ask Ilya to authorchoice it, which is ACS's open-access option (costs $800 a pop).

antihero 13y ago
It's just a bunch of text and diagrams. Can't they stick it on a $5 DO VM or even Dropbox? Why do people bother with these crappy hosting services that require people to pay to see your content? I am honestly asking what these people actually offer other than hosting. I'm totally up for setting up a little web app for hosting scientific papers, but what would be preventing me from competing with these people?
- testbro 13y ago
  Scientific publishing isn't just about putting stuff somewhere for people to read it. Publishers, through their parasitic relationship with academia, have kept themselves relevant through the critical mass of people continuing to use them. The purpose served by publishers isn't really the hosting of articles, it's the names of journals the publishers own which carries an implication that top-tier journals get better reviewers and therefore higher quality articles. As long as academia values impact factor and journal rankings, the parasite can subsist. Most academics tend to self-host preprints, or stick them on arXiv so the publisher as a hosting service isn't really the "value-add" offered.
  - dnautics 13y ago
    >Most academics tend to self-host preprints, or stick them on arXiv so the publisher as a hosting service isn't really the "value-add" offered. That is not true for chemistry or biology. Tell them what arXiv is and they will say, huh?
- raphman 13y ago
  This "hosting service" is an academic journal. They do not only host the document but also organize review of submitted papers, edit the document for publication, and ensure long-term archival of published works. And - most important for academic researchers - publishing in a respected journal improves your reputation. Once your paper gets published, you essentially sign away most rights to the publisher (see also the comment on Open Access in this discussion thread). Whether these publishers contribute enough to warrant the high price of their publications is debatable.

educating 13y ago

There should be the equivalent of wikileaks for scientific papers- a site where you can anonymously post them and their abstract. While I understand someone has to pay for hosting, archiving, validation- people should be allowed to view things like this freely. Otherwise, what is the point of research you wish to share with the public? Even viewing the paper as images with watermarks would be better than nothing.

sambeau 13y ago
Great young men have thought alike: http://ia600808.us.archive.org/17/items/GuerillaOpenAccessManifesto/Goamjuly2008.pdf http://ia600808.us.archive.org/17/items/GuerillaOpenAccessMa... sigh
derefr 13y ago
I don't know about anonymously -- why not just the centuries-old library model? We pay for an organization; the organization licenses the works; the organization lends out the works for free.
- tekacs 13y ago
  The current problem being that subscribed to an institution which has a library with the funds to pay for these things is currently either expensive or hard to get oneself affiliated with without lots of requirements and quirks. :/ I have access through my home institution, but I'm already dreading being suddenly cut-off from all of this information when I leave :/ - the idea that upon leaving the institution my ability or willingness to read existing content and contribute back should disappear is bothersome, to say the least.
mistercow 13y ago
My understanding is that many journals embed metadata about you when you download the full text of an article. If that's true, it would be crucial to make sure that it got stripped automatically when uploaded to such a site.
kaybe 13y ago
Many authors in physics, mathematics and others post a pre-print version of their papers to http://arxiv.org/ http://arxiv.org/.

ParahSailin 13y ago

http://libgen.org/scimag5/10.1021/jp406274e.pdf http://libgen.org/scimag5/10.1021/jp406274e.pdf http://libgen.org/scimag5/10.1021/jp406273p.pdf http://libgen.org/scimag5/10.1021/jp406273p.pdf

mistercow 13y ago

>Fortunately, I am now a university student so I will see if the library can help me with this. Many universities have a proxy site you can use to access journal articles without having to physically be on campus. You should find out if yours does this. I wish I had looked into it when I was a student. I had no idea the privilege I was letting slip away.