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Sure, but the complexity of that single "desktop-oriented language" will be much higher than HTML and CSS...

by reustle 13y ago

kbutler 13y ago
...and JavaScript? and JavaScript libraries for widgets? and browser incompatibilities? and hosting? I keep going in circles on how to teach my kids programming - maybe GameSalad or similar really is the way to get started...
- freehunter 13y ago
  The early 2000s were a simpler time. Visual Basic was still perfectly viable as an enterprise programming language for CRUD applications, you had one simple language to learn, and could build an interface by clicking your mouse. I don't miss VB, but I seriously wonder why the community was so quick to move on without ever actually replacing it.
primitur 13y ago
I'm personally not finding that to be the case - or, if there is a more 'critical mass' in the desktop/server language, at least its a single language to deal with. Its the context-switching that bothers me most about the web technologies that have evolved over the years (and I've been watching, as an Internet user for over 30+ years, this evolution quite closely) .. going from HTML5 -> CSS -> Javascript results in too much cognitive dissonance for this old salty developers eyes. Plus there are just too many platform issues to deal with - not just per-OS, but per-browser. Whereas I'm perfectly happy building real desktop apps (which can incidentally be deployed to the web) in languages such as Lua, I really can't be bothered with the alphabet-soup of CSS, the peculiarities of HTML5 .. although I do find Javascript to be aesthetically pleasing at times (must be my C background). I hope to one day just do away with the web layer entirely and focus only on the app level, and there are fortunately enough tools like that out there to get along with in that regard. Still, Coder is a fresh way to address the problem, and I definitely appreciate the effort made by its developers to make things a lot more approachable to younger, less crusty minds.

Sure, but the complexity of that single "desktop-oriented language" will be much higher than HTML and CSS...

by reustle 13y ago

Sure, but the complexity of that single "desktop-oriented language" will be much higher than HTML and CSS...

...and JavaScript? and JavaScript libraries for widgets? and browser incompatibilities? and hosting? I keep going in circles on how to teach my kids programming - maybe GameSalad or similar really is the way to get started...

freehunter 13y ago
The early 2000s were a simpler time. Visual Basic was still perfectly viable as an enterprise programming language for CRUD applications, you had one simple language to learn, and could build an interface by clicking your mouse. I don't miss VB, but I seriously wonder why the community was so quick to move on without ever actually replacing it.

primitur 13y ago

I'm personally not finding that to be the case - or, if there is a more 'critical mass' in the desktop/server language, at least its a single language to deal with. Its the context-switching that bothers me most about the web technologies that have evolved over the years (and I've been watching, as an Internet user for over 30+ years, this evolution quite closely) .. going from HTML5 -> CSS -> Javascript results in too much cognitive dissonance for this old salty developers eyes. Plus there are just too many platform issues to deal with - not just per-OS, but per-browser. Whereas I'm perfectly happy building real desktop apps (which can incidentally be deployed to the web) in languages such as Lua, I really can't be bothered with the alphabet-soup of CSS, the peculiarities of HTML5 .. although I do find Javascript to be aesthetically pleasing at times (must be my C background). I hope to one day just do away with the web layer entirely and focus only on the app level, and there are fortunately enough tools like that out there to get along with in that regard. Still, Coder is a fresh way to address the problem, and I definitely appreciate the effort made by its developers to make things a lot more approachable to younger, less crusty minds.