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How? The parents wouldn't even know. Sounds like you want to legislate a certain parenting rigor involving a high level of parental involvement.

pstack 13y ago
Naw, let's put the onus on the internet and force everyone to submit their anonymity and browse only via a paid-for internet license using their real identity, instead. That way nobody ever gets their feelings hurt and no adults have to get off their asses and do the hard work of raising or looking after children, be they parents of bullied kids, parents of bullies, school administrators, teachers, or cops. If we just skunk the internet, we can save all these poor souls from doing any heavy lifting. Parents wont' have to go to the school or police or other parents about their poor kid. Other parents can continue to say "kids will be kids" and teachers/administrators can continue to watch youtube videos during class while pretending not to be aware of the harassment and violence occurring in their classrooms and hallways five feet away from them.
ChuckMcM 13y ago
Well in general there are three things that go along with this; 1) Creating the legislation/framework which is to say put into place the structure about how people can be found complicit and sanctions based on various schemes. 2) Outreach and awareness to the at risk population that help is out there and that the behavior is unacceptable and that something other than a scolding is at risk here. 3) Civil actions in high profile cases which reinforce the message and provide case law to guide other actions. An analog might be civil actions against bars for serving alcohol to clearly inebriated patrons. We did a booth where we sold beer at an Art & Wine festival and had to get mandatory training on the signs so that we wouldn't do something that made us liable under California's laws if we served drunk people and they later did something bad. But before we got to the 'how' we should probably make sure that we agree that this a parenting problem. In my day reporting bullying to parents was often met with a shrug rather than action, and school expulsion a temporary set back for bullies.
- grannyg00se 13y ago
  It is only a parenting problem if you accept a certain level of mandatory responsibility for parents. I think that conceptually people have no problem with that idea. We all want to say that we are responsible parents. But to try to put something concrete down into legislation is a different story. People won't admit it, but they really aren't highly involved in many cases and sometimes have good reasons not to be. So when it comes time to talk about real consequences, I think there would be a lot of push back. I'd like to see details of how #1 would actually look. Nuber two is a definitely win. #3 would probably be inevitable because #1 would likely be full of holes and grey areas. Your analog seems ill equipped to deal with the constant surveillance and responsibility a parent would face. The bartender simply stops serving. End of responsibility. If the patron becomes abusive he gets kicked out by the bouncer. For parents you are talking about a scenario where there is no end of responisibility. You can't just kick them out into someone else's bar.
amerkhalid 13y ago
Parents and teachers are responsible for their kids' behavior. If they raise bullies, they should be held responsible. Yes it means spending time with your kids and paying attention to them, if someone is too busy to be responsible parent, then they should pay for their negligence.
- grannyg00se 13y ago
  Raise bullies? You are putting a whole lot of faith into the idea that parenting alone shapes a child's behaviour. And all kids are different so your burden isn't even amongst the population. The level of involvement for one kid might be near zero while another requires near constant attention. Are you okay with putting additional burden on parents based on the needs of their particular children? Are you prepared to define what "responsible parent" actually means in a concrete way that everyone can discuss, or can I just say yes I pay attention and I spend time with them therefore I am a responsible parent? What kind of punishment are you talking about? If you imprison them what will you do with the kids? If they are poor and you fine them, is that going to be a net win for society? And teachers? Teachers these days have near zero enforcement options. You can't make them responsible unless you also give them back some power. They sometimes suffer abuse from students as well.
rtpg 13y ago
Parents are held responsible for their kids behaviors all the time. A kid breaks something in a store? the parents pay.

pstack 13y ago

Naw, let's put the onus on the internet and force everyone to submit their anonymity and browse only via a paid-for internet license using their real identity, instead. That way nobody ever gets their feelings hurt and no adults have to get off their asses and do the hard work of raising or looking after children, be they parents of bullied kids, parents of bullies, school administrators, teachers, or cops. If we just skunk the internet, we can save all these poor souls from doing any heavy lifting. Parents wont' have to go to the school or police or other parents about their poor kid. Other parents can continue to say "kids will be kids" and teachers/administrators can continue to watch youtube videos during class while pretending not to be aware of the harassment and violence occurring in their classrooms and hallways five feet away from them.

ChuckMcM 13y ago

Well in general there are three things that go along with this; 1) Creating the legislation/framework which is to say put into place the structure about how people can be found complicit and sanctions based on various schemes. 2) Outreach and awareness to the at risk population that help is out there and that the behavior is unacceptable and that something other than a scolding is at risk here. 3) Civil actions in high profile cases which reinforce the message and provide case law to guide other actions. An analog might be civil actions against bars for serving alcohol to clearly inebriated patrons. We did a booth where we sold beer at an Art & Wine festival and had to get mandatory training on the signs so that we wouldn't do something that made us liable under California's laws if we served drunk people and they later did something bad. But before we got to the 'how' we should probably make sure that we agree that this a parenting problem. In my day reporting bullying to parents was often met with a shrug rather than action, and school expulsion a temporary set back for bullies.

grannyg00se 13y ago
It is only a parenting problem if you accept a certain level of mandatory responsibility for parents. I think that conceptually people have no problem with that idea. We all want to say that we are responsible parents. But to try to put something concrete down into legislation is a different story. People won't admit it, but they really aren't highly involved in many cases and sometimes have good reasons not to be. So when it comes time to talk about real consequences, I think there would be a lot of push back. I'd like to see details of how #1 would actually look. Nuber two is a definitely win. #3 would probably be inevitable because #1 would likely be full of holes and grey areas. Your analog seems ill equipped to deal with the constant surveillance and responsibility a parent would face. The bartender simply stops serving. End of responsibility. If the patron becomes abusive he gets kicked out by the bouncer. For parents you are talking about a scenario where there is no end of responisibility. You can't just kick them out into someone else's bar.

amerkhalid 13y ago

Parents and teachers are responsible for their kids' behavior. If they raise bullies, they should be held responsible. Yes it means spending time with your kids and paying attention to them, if someone is too busy to be responsible parent, then they should pay for their negligence.

grannyg00se 13y ago
Raise bullies? You are putting a whole lot of faith into the idea that parenting alone shapes a child's behaviour. And all kids are different so your burden isn't even amongst the population. The level of involvement for one kid might be near zero while another requires near constant attention. Are you okay with putting additional burden on parents based on the needs of their particular children? Are you prepared to define what "responsible parent" actually means in a concrete way that everyone can discuss, or can I just say yes I pay attention and I spend time with them therefore I am a responsible parent? What kind of punishment are you talking about? If you imprison them what will you do with the kids? If they are poor and you fine them, is that going to be a net win for society? And teachers? Teachers these days have near zero enforcement options. You can't make them responsible unless you also give them back some power. They sometimes suffer abuse from students as well.

rtpg 13y ago

Parents are held responsible for their kids behaviors all the time. A kid breaks something in a store? the parents pay.