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Axod, I don't think it's that bad (linkbait, wise), and: I like to know about such things because I'm also an app developer. I also think it should be publiciz

Axod, I don't think it's that bad (linkbait, wise), and: I like to know about such things because I'm also an app developer. I also think it should be publicized because it's outrageous bull. Even if I wasn't an app developer, I'd think this was interesting on grounds of knowing how people get content, and who can/does censor that access. Also, there wasn't any whining in the EFF article.

axod 17y ago
How many people on here are not aware that: * Apple censors stuff * Apple aren't consistent * Apple take random time to approve/deny apps. I'd be surprised if many people aren't aware of those facts by now. It'd be news IMHO if any of the above changed. I personally don't find it outrageous in the least. It's their platform to do with what they wish. Developing on top of someone else is a big risk. Just as if you build something on top of twitter, they could and might cut off access if they decide to.
- xenophanes 17y ago
  I'm aware because these stories get posted here. I like them.
  - axod 17y ago
    So you enjoy news saying "Yup, Apple still reject random stuff, nothings changed"? We have different definitions of 'news' ;)
    - vishaldpatel 17y ago
      I think we can all agree that people generally have short attention spans. I think we can also agree that quite a few HN readers are iphone developers and users. The developers among us develop on the iphone platform because the users like it. It isn't wrong to remind users about the hardships developers face in bringing quality apps to them. And I'm sure that most rejection still go unannounced ;). Hopefully this will lead to a) Apple being more reasonable or b) Users moving onto a platform that is more developer friendly.
    - fauigerzigerk 17y ago
      The news is not that they censor but what they censor and the reactions to it. I want to be kept up to date as to how various platforms evolve in terms of taking away my freedoms. Platforms like appstore and their approach to restricting content are still very much evolving. If you apply your standard of news to other stories on HN or elsewhere there would be very little left as most content is not original but sourced from somewhere. 20 very similar reviews of Wolfram Alpha or Google Wave isn't exactly news either. But obviously it's all a matter of balance and I do understand the point you're making.
    - alexandros 17y ago
      Well in that sense, try to figure out what percentage of HN gets invalidated by the following 'news items': "PG Still writes articles, nothing's changed" "Big Companies still acquire Startups, nothings changed" "VCs still fund startups, nothings changed "Startups still want feedback for their apps, nothings changed" Sometimes details matter.
- billymeltdown 17y ago
  "I personally don't find it outrageous in the least. It's their platform to do with what they wish." Well, I see your point about "their platform", although I can find it pretty crap policy if I like :-) I think the EFF article is particularly interesting because I think in the end this will be one of those about-face situations for them, I think their policies and procedures may not actually match up with what they really want (or perhaps a better guess is that the might be blocking things they didn't really intend to block -- or maybe they just don't like the EFF!). So the EFF rejection stands out for me. It's like blocking the NY Times app because there's a political cartoon shown in it -- which would actually match up with a lot of other rejected apps. Anyway, it's sand in Apple's face, publicly. And many developers stay away from the platform because of these issues. It's good all-around that this is in the news, imho, it gives them more incentive to stop the lameness. Hey look, we turned this into a discussion! Wee!

axod 17y ago

How many people on here are not aware that: * Apple censors stuff * Apple aren't consistent * Apple take random time to approve/deny apps. I'd be surprised if many people aren't aware of those facts by now. It'd be news IMHO if any of the above changed. I personally don't find it outrageous in the least. It's their platform to do with what they wish. Developing on top of someone else is a big risk. Just as if you build something on top of twitter, they could and might cut off access if they decide to.

xenophanes 17y ago
I'm aware because these stories get posted here. I like them.
- axod 17y ago
  So you enjoy news saying "Yup, Apple still reject random stuff, nothings changed"? We have different definitions of 'news' ;)
  - vishaldpatel 17y ago
    I think we can all agree that people generally have short attention spans. I think we can also agree that quite a few HN readers are iphone developers and users. The developers among us develop on the iphone platform because the users like it. It isn't wrong to remind users about the hardships developers face in bringing quality apps to them. And I'm sure that most rejection still go unannounced ;). Hopefully this will lead to a) Apple being more reasonable or b) Users moving onto a platform that is more developer friendly.
  - fauigerzigerk 17y ago
    The news is not that they censor but what they censor and the reactions to it. I want to be kept up to date as to how various platforms evolve in terms of taking away my freedoms. Platforms like appstore and their approach to restricting content are still very much evolving. If you apply your standard of news to other stories on HN or elsewhere there would be very little left as most content is not original but sourced from somewhere. 20 very similar reviews of Wolfram Alpha or Google Wave isn't exactly news either. But obviously it's all a matter of balance and I do understand the point you're making.
  - alexandros 17y ago
    Well in that sense, try to figure out what percentage of HN gets invalidated by the following 'news items': "PG Still writes articles, nothing's changed" "Big Companies still acquire Startups, nothings changed" "VCs still fund startups, nothings changed "Startups still want feedback for their apps, nothings changed" Sometimes details matter.
billymeltdown 17y ago
"I personally don't find it outrageous in the least. It's their platform to do with what they wish." Well, I see your point about "their platform", although I can find it pretty crap policy if I like :-) I think the EFF article is particularly interesting because I think in the end this will be one of those about-face situations for them, I think their policies and procedures may not actually match up with what they really want (or perhaps a better guess is that the might be blocking things they didn't really intend to block -- or maybe they just don't like the EFF!). So the EFF rejection stands out for me. It's like blocking the NY Times app because there's a political cartoon shown in it -- which would actually match up with a lot of other rejected apps. Anyway, it's sand in Apple's face, publicly. And many developers stay away from the platform because of these issues. It's good all-around that this is in the news, imho, it gives them more incentive to stop the lameness. Hey look, we turned this into a discussion! Wee!