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> This doesn't take the Population Paradox into account. Because it's bullshit. The core of it is this statement: > Insensitive, unintelligent, uncompassionat

> This doesn't take the Population Paradox into account. Because it's bullshit. The core of it is this statement: > Insensitive, unintelligent, uncompassionate listeners don't -- they will have the usual number of children. It entirely ignores the fact that having children and rearing them is WORK, EFFORT. People in poor countries do the work for a single reason: They NEED their kids to care for them in old age. As you remove this need, even dumb people will want to avoid having kids, because it's less work. There's a reason the US fertility rate has stabilized to 2 childs per woman, and an overpopulated country like china is even below it, and it is that the complex real world pressures cause an equilibrium on their own. In short: Don't just write massive posts, also ask "why?" a LOT more.

lutusp 13y ago
> As you remove this need, even dumb people will want to avoid having kids, because it's less work. Yes, that explains why people who lived in the early agricultural societies, who had easy lives, also had a lot of children. It explains why, today, those with the highest birthrate end up becoming the majority, consistent with the principles of natural selection. You need to realize something about natural selection -- the future population belongs to those with the highest birth rate, whoever and wherever they are. You should know this, but you clearly do not. In Israel, arabs are outbreeding Jews and will eventually become an absolute majority: Title: "High Arab birth rate in Israel raises concerns about country’s Jewish identity": http://www.ibtimes.com/high-arab-birth-rate-israel-raises-concerns-about-countrys-jewish-identity-263449 http://www.ibtimes.com/high-arab-birth-rate-israel-raises-co... In the U.S., groups other than White descendants of Europeans are outbreeding them and will soon become an absolute majority, as they already are in California: Title: "California: Whites are no longer the majority" http://tv.msnbc.com/2013/07/01/california-whites-are-no-longer-the-majority/ http://tv.msnbc.com/2013/07/01/california-whites-are-no-long... I'm not complaining about the ethnic makeup of the future, I'm only making the point that natural selection blindly chooses those with the highest birthrate, and it is that group that becomes the future population of the world. > Don't just write massive posts, also ask "why?" a LOT more. It is you who needs to educate yourself on this issue. You posted opinions, I posted facts. You haven't the slightest idea what you're talking about. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Human_overpopulation http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Human_overpopulation Quote: "As of September 10, 2013 the world's human population is estimated to be 7.11 billion by the United States Census Bureau, and over 7 billion by the United Nations. Most contemporary estimates for the carrying capacity of the Earth under existing conditions are between 4 billion and 16 billion. Depending on which estimate is used, human overpopulation may or may not have already occurred. Nevertheless, the rapid recent increase in human population is causing some concern. The population is expected to reach between 8 and 10.5 billion between the year 2040 and 2050. In May 2011, the United Nations increased the medium variant projections to 9.3 billion for 2050 and 10.1 billion for 2100."
- Mithaldu 13y ago
  > early agricultural societies When, where? Also, your links only affirm what i already said. People with a perceived lack in the "secure future" department have more children. Lastly, i never said overpopulation isn't a thing. It's unclear why you quote wikipedia.
- Mithaldu 13y ago
  Actually, you know what. Let me present more compelling evidence. That first article you link mentions concerns about Yemen's growth. So let's contrast how Yemen is doing in comparison to the USA with this Gapminder graph: http://goo.gl/ok9irQ http://goo.gl/ok9irQ Do note that the trails both start in 1960 and the child mortality axis is scaled logarithmically, meaning that at any time Yemen's child mortality was an order of magnitude larger than that of the USA. Also note that you can switch child mortality with expected lifespan and get pretty much the same curve.

lutusp 13y ago

> As you remove this need, even dumb people will want to avoid having kids, because it's less work. Yes, that explains why people who lived in the early agricultural societies, who had easy lives, also had a lot of children. It explains why, today, those with the highest birthrate end up becoming the majority, consistent with the principles of natural selection. You need to realize something about natural selection -- the future population belongs to those with the highest birth rate, whoever and wherever they are. You should know this, but you clearly do not. In Israel, arabs are outbreeding Jews and will eventually become an absolute majority: Title: "High Arab birth rate in Israel raises concerns about country’s Jewish identity": http://www.ibtimes.com/high-arab-birth-rate-israel-raises-concerns-about-countrys-jewish-identity-263449 http://www.ibtimes.com/high-arab-birth-rate-israel-raises-co... In the U.S., groups other than White descendants of Europeans are outbreeding them and will soon become an absolute majority, as they already are in California: Title: "California: Whites are no longer the majority" http://tv.msnbc.com/2013/07/01/california-whites-are-no-longer-the-majority/ http://tv.msnbc.com/2013/07/01/california-whites-are-no-long... I'm not complaining about the ethnic makeup of the future, I'm only making the point that natural selection blindly chooses those with the highest birthrate, and it is that group that becomes the future population of the world. > Don't just write massive posts, also ask "why?" a LOT more. It is you who needs to educate yourself on this issue. You posted opinions, I posted facts. You haven't the slightest idea what you're talking about. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Human_overpopulation http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Human_overpopulation Quote: "As of September 10, 2013 the world's human population is estimated to be 7.11 billion by the United States Census Bureau, and over 7 billion by the United Nations. Most contemporary estimates for the carrying capacity of the Earth under existing conditions are between 4 billion and 16 billion. Depending on which estimate is used, human overpopulation may or may not have already occurred. Nevertheless, the rapid recent increase in human population is causing some concern. The population is expected to reach between 8 and 10.5 billion between the year 2040 and 2050. In May 2011, the United Nations increased the medium variant projections to 9.3 billion for 2050 and 10.1 billion for 2100."

Mithaldu 13y ago
> early agricultural societies When, where? Also, your links only affirm what i already said. People with a perceived lack in the "secure future" department have more children. Lastly, i never said overpopulation isn't a thing. It's unclear why you quote wikipedia.
Mithaldu 13y ago
Actually, you know what. Let me present more compelling evidence. That first article you link mentions concerns about Yemen's growth. So let's contrast how Yemen is doing in comparison to the USA with this Gapminder graph: http://goo.gl/ok9irQ http://goo.gl/ok9irQ Do note that the trails both start in 1960 and the child mortality axis is scaled logarithmically, meaning that at any time Yemen's child mortality was an order of magnitude larger than that of the USA. Also note that you can switch child mortality with expected lifespan and get pretty much the same curve.