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Hemlock: multi-user, real-time web applications

34 points by malte 17y ago

frossie 17y ago
I used to think "git" was the worst name in software, but now I have revised my opinion.
- axod 17y ago
  And hemlock.com is a printing co. :/ Please don't make XMPP be the next buzz word :(
  - mahmud 17y ago
    Hemlock is the Emacs clone built into CMUCL; where I spent the most pleasant times in my 5 years of extended hack-mode ;-) http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hemlock_(editor) http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hemlock_(editor) (ed 'foo) ahhh, they don't make 'em like they used to.
- defunkt 17y ago
  I'm not gonna defend git, but it's pretty damn hard to google for libraries or code written in Io.
  - frossie 17y ago
    Okay, there are different kinds of badness - along the Io lines, I remember the photo gallery perl program called "web album". Couldn't google it for love or money. The problem with git is that it is the kind of word that seems to (unjustly) infantilise hackers as far as management is concerned. But hemlock is definitely worse. If you ever had to sit through a gruesome description of Socrate's death, you'd understand my reaction. My Pavlovian response is "Mmmm Hemlock, excruciatingly painful killer of goodness and smartness".
  - klipt 17y ago
    You think that's bad ... try search for help for R ;)
    - cloudhead 17y ago
      that's really just google's fault for having such weak tech. Not everything in the world is /[a-z0-9]{3,}/
trevorturk 17y ago
Sounds cool, but why post about something that isn't available yet?
judofyr 17y ago
I'm way more interested in using Flash only for communicating with XMPP and rather do the rest in HTML/CSS/JavaScript. Also with a fallback to BOSH, so it will work for those without Flash too.
- ynniv 17y ago
  Is there a compelling reason not to use BOSH in the first place? I don't have any practical experience with it.
  - lyime 17y ago
    I have worked a little bit with BOSH using strophe JS. It more work then it should be and it is delicate.
DocSavage 17y ago
It looks like the server-side stuff will be in Ruby (the About references Ruby inspirations), but I couldn't find anything specific on what you'd code other than XMPP and Flash.
bravura 17y ago
I was interested to read the documentation, but it's not online yet.
8plot 17y ago
Is there an equivalent technology that doesn't use flash?
- eplawless 17y ago
  Yes, it's a family of technologies called Comet. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Comet_%28programming%29 http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Comet_%28programming%29
goodkarma 17y ago
I think this sounds awesome. However it is odd they didn't link to GitHub or something. Looks like they just launched the site, so hopefully that's coming soon.
lyime 17y ago
This feels a lot like Juggernaut (Rails plugin) Although its not XMPP based. http://juggernaut.rubyforge.org/ http://juggernaut.rubyforge.org/

34 points by malte 17y ago

frossie 17y ago

I used to think "git" was the worst name in software, but now I have revised my opinion.

axod 17y ago
And hemlock.com is a printing co. :/ Please don't make XMPP be the next buzz word :(
- mahmud 17y ago
  Hemlock is the Emacs clone built into CMUCL; where I spent the most pleasant times in my 5 years of extended hack-mode ;-) http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hemlock_(editor) http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hemlock_(editor) (ed 'foo) ahhh, they don't make 'em like they used to.
defunkt 17y ago
I'm not gonna defend git, but it's pretty damn hard to google for libraries or code written in Io.
- frossie 17y ago
  Okay, there are different kinds of badness - along the Io lines, I remember the photo gallery perl program called "web album". Couldn't google it for love or money. The problem with git is that it is the kind of word that seems to (unjustly) infantilise hackers as far as management is concerned. But hemlock is definitely worse. If you ever had to sit through a gruesome description of Socrate's death, you'd understand my reaction. My Pavlovian response is "Mmmm Hemlock, excruciatingly painful killer of goodness and smartness".
- klipt 17y ago
  You think that's bad ... try search for help for R ;)
  - cloudhead 17y ago
    that's really just google's fault for having such weak tech. Not everything in the world is /[a-z0-9]{3,}/

trevorturk 17y ago

Sounds cool, but why post about something that isn't available yet?

judofyr 17y ago

I'm way more interested in using Flash only for communicating with XMPP and rather do the rest in HTML/CSS/JavaScript. Also with a fallback to BOSH, so it will work for those without Flash too.

ynniv 17y ago
Is there a compelling reason not to use BOSH in the first place? I don't have any practical experience with it.
- lyime 17y ago
  I have worked a little bit with BOSH using strophe JS. It more work then it should be and it is delicate.

DocSavage 17y ago

It looks like the server-side stuff will be in Ruby (the About references Ruby inspirations), but I couldn't find anything specific on what you'd code other than XMPP and Flash.

bravura 17y ago

I was interested to read the documentation, but it's not online yet.

8plot 17y ago

Is there an equivalent technology that doesn't use flash?

eplawless 17y ago
Yes, it's a family of technologies called Comet. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Comet_%28programming%29 http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Comet_%28programming%29

goodkarma 17y ago

I think this sounds awesome. However it is odd they didn't link to GitHub or something. Looks like they just launched the site, so hopefully that's coming soon.

lyime 17y ago

This feels a lot like Juggernaut (Rails plugin) Although its not XMPP based. http://juggernaut.rubyforge.org/ http://juggernaut.rubyforge.org/