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WTF? Can we even trust the water we get from the government? Maybe they put some meds in there to make us dumb and complaint. Is that too far fetched now after

WTF? Can we even trust the water we get from the government? Maybe they put some meds in there to make us dumb and complaint. Is that too far fetched now after what we've reading? >> Donahue also said Marque had been researching the possibility of moving his hosting, and his residence, to Russia. Nice try FBI, but I have a feeling that Puttin's Russia will have him a gulag after a 5 minute "trial," appeal included.

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- bsullivan01 13y ago
  OK, let's be honest. Do you think Russia would give him asylum or a visa? There you go. Thank you.
- codyb 13y ago
  Source for your second statement?
  - pyrocat 13y ago
    https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=6383435 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=6383435
krapp 13y ago
WTF? Can we even trust the water we get from the government? Maybe they put some meds in there to make us dumb and complaint. Funny you should mention that -- I believe that water fluoridation was once suspected of being a communist plot to more or less the same effect.
- mistercow 13y ago
  Not just "once". Many conspiracy theorists still believe that it is some form of government plot or another. The theories range from it being a toxic waste disposal scheme that is poisoning people (and as far as I know, there is some basis for the claim that fluoridation came about as a way to cheaply get rid of a relatively toxic byproduct; that doesn't validate any other part of it though), to fluoride being used as a mind control chemical (usually pointing to drugs like Prozac that include fluoride as "evidence"). Of course, none of these "theories" manage to address the fact that there is fairly strong evidence that water fluoridation does in fact reduce tooth decay.
  - coldtea 13y ago
    >Of course, none of these "theories" manage to address the fact that there is fairly strong evidence that water fluoridation does in fact reduce tooth decay. Not agreeing with those theories, but this argument is flawed. Even if it does "reduce tooth decay", so what, in the context of their argument? Who said a substance can't do two things at one time?
    - sliverstorm 13y ago
      It isn't proof, it's supporting evidence.
      - coldtea 13y ago
        It's only "supporting evidence" if they said that it doesn't also help with teeth.
    - mistercow 13y ago
      The number of compounds that have significant and useful mind altering properties, are tasteless in water at their effective doses, don't cause severe adverse reactions in any large segment of the population, even at uncontrolled doses, and which also naturally occur in some water supplies to begin with is tiny. If you narrow that search down further by adding the constraint of a simple and easily explained health benefit that has since been repeatedly validated by science, you should expect to find approximately zero compounds. To look at it another way, suppose that studies had been done on fluoridation and found no benefit in terms of tooth decay. That would certainly be evidence in favor of the conspiracy theories. It is always the case that if E is evidence of H, then ¬E is evidence of ¬H, so the fact that fluoridation prevents tooth decay must be at least weak evidence that the conspiracy theories are false. The argument above gives one reason that it is not particularly weak evidence.
  - patrickg_zill 13y ago
    Fluoride stays in the body and over time will calcify the pineal gland, which is a poorly understood part of the body. Fluoride was used in the past to pacify populations, at least, that is the claim made by anti-F people (I haven't myself run down the sources). There are books out concerning F and its effect on the body's metabolism, such as this one http://www.amazon.com/Fluoride-Aging-Factor-Recognize-Devastating/dp/0913571032/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&qid=1379109514&sr=8-1&keywords=fluoride+the+aging+factor http://www.amazon.com/Fluoride-Aging-Factor-Recognize-Devast... . Too much fluoride can lead to fluorosis - there is this case of fluorosis among horses drinking municipal water that was fluoridated http://www.fluorideresearch.org/391/files/3913-10.pdf http://www.fluorideresearch.org/391/files/3913-10.pdf .

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bsullivan01 13y ago
OK, let's be honest. Do you think Russia would give him asylum or a visa? There you go. Thank you.
codyb 13y ago
Source for your second statement?
- pyrocat 13y ago
  https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=6383435 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=6383435

krapp 13y ago

WTF? Can we even trust the water we get from the government? Maybe they put some meds in there to make us dumb and complaint. Funny you should mention that -- I believe that water fluoridation was once suspected of being a communist plot to more or less the same effect.

mistercow 13y ago
Not just "once". Many conspiracy theorists still believe that it is some form of government plot or another. The theories range from it being a toxic waste disposal scheme that is poisoning people (and as far as I know, there is some basis for the claim that fluoridation came about as a way to cheaply get rid of a relatively toxic byproduct; that doesn't validate any other part of it though), to fluoride being used as a mind control chemical (usually pointing to drugs like Prozac that include fluoride as "evidence"). Of course, none of these "theories" manage to address the fact that there is fairly strong evidence that water fluoridation does in fact reduce tooth decay.
- coldtea 13y ago
  >Of course, none of these "theories" manage to address the fact that there is fairly strong evidence that water fluoridation does in fact reduce tooth decay. Not agreeing with those theories, but this argument is flawed. Even if it does "reduce tooth decay", so what, in the context of their argument? Who said a substance can't do two things at one time?
  - sliverstorm 13y ago
    It isn't proof, it's supporting evidence.
    - coldtea 13y ago
      It's only "supporting evidence" if they said that it doesn't also help with teeth.
  - mistercow 13y ago
    The number of compounds that have significant and useful mind altering properties, are tasteless in water at their effective doses, don't cause severe adverse reactions in any large segment of the population, even at uncontrolled doses, and which also naturally occur in some water supplies to begin with is tiny. If you narrow that search down further by adding the constraint of a simple and easily explained health benefit that has since been repeatedly validated by science, you should expect to find approximately zero compounds. To look at it another way, suppose that studies had been done on fluoridation and found no benefit in terms of tooth decay. That would certainly be evidence in favor of the conspiracy theories. It is always the case that if E is evidence of H, then ¬E is evidence of ¬H, so the fact that fluoridation prevents tooth decay must be at least weak evidence that the conspiracy theories are false. The argument above gives one reason that it is not particularly weak evidence.
- patrickg_zill 13y ago
  Fluoride stays in the body and over time will calcify the pineal gland, which is a poorly understood part of the body. Fluoride was used in the past to pacify populations, at least, that is the claim made by anti-F people (I haven't myself run down the sources). There are books out concerning F and its effect on the body's metabolism, such as this one http://www.amazon.com/Fluoride-Aging-Factor-Recognize-Devastating/dp/0913571032/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&qid=1379109514&sr=8-1&keywords=fluoride+the+aging+factor http://www.amazon.com/Fluoride-Aging-Factor-Recognize-Devast... . Too much fluoride can lead to fluorosis - there is this case of fluorosis among horses drinking municipal water that was fluoridated http://www.fluorideresearch.org/391/files/3913-10.pdf http://www.fluorideresearch.org/391/files/3913-10.pdf .