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As much as I want to agree, there needs to be some standardization. Whether its the supported character set or the name lengths, it's literally impossible to su

As much as I want to agree, there needs to be some standardization. Whether its the supported character set or the name lengths, it's literally impossible to support everything. Personally I think every state should have a list of legal constraints for a name - maybe they already do.

snitko 13y ago
For god's sake. It's just a piece of paper. If a name is too long for it, well, damn, spend some additional time and customize it and print this one special id.
- emhart 13y ago
  This. Whether for this specific case or in general, the rigidity of these sort of governmental/administrative systems dehumanize us. We are engaged in a conversation about the standardization of names, about applying limits to our given, or chosen names because of? What? Suppressing cultural or personal identities...why? So everyone can parse your name on an ID? For a community that routinely cries out against national ID laws and champions the right to anonymity, many of the comments on this thread surprise me.
- sukuriant 13y ago
  Because that will totally go well when it's checked against it being a fraud. Standardization makes finding frauds easier
daxelrod 13y ago
It's the implementation of this that's the difficult part. You also need to standardize how names are canonified into these legal constraints for when someone moves into the state. Worse, there are lots of expectations that your state and federal IDs will have matching names (or at least, names that match in the ways people expect: First and Last, with some leeway for a middle to not be there at all or be truncated to an initial). See also this discussion of naming in Japan for the difficulties people run into when there is a system with both Nicknames and Legal Names: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=6145768 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=6145768
tsm 13y ago
I agree—awkward as it is, there reaches a point where it's just unreasonable to accommodate it: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hNoS2BU6bbQ&noredirect=1 http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hNoS2BU6bbQ&noredirect=1
CanSpice 13y ago
Hawaiian is one of Hawaii's official languages (the other being English). Drivers licences in Hawaii are issued by the state, so they should have to support the Hawaiian language. In effect, the state of Hawaii has already come up with standardization: English or Hawaiian.
- dalke 13y ago
  Hawaiian is written in the Latin alphabet, like English, so supporting the language is not the problem. The length is the issue, and that's more a cultural issue than a language one. (English names could also be very long.) If Hawaiian names are typically very long, then this could be interpreted as a cultural bias against traditional Hawaiian names. However, in looking around for Hawaiian names, it does not seem that they are typically so long. There is not enough information for me to get a sense if this is discrimination on the basis of cultural, or a one-off case.
  - CanSpice 13y ago
    In the Hawaii Tribune-Herald, they publish baby names. For September 23, there was a boy named Tyren-James Keolapulamamekaha‘aheookekaimalie Viernes. His name wouldn't fit on the Hawaii State Drivers License. Neither would Kainoa Kamakanaiho‘unamaikalaniakeakua Azaziah Espaniola Branco's full name. Hawaiian is partially written in the Latin alphabet, but it also includes five vowels with macrons (the kahako) and the 'okina for glottal stops.

snitko 13y ago

For god's sake. It's just a piece of paper. If a name is too long for it, well, damn, spend some additional time and customize it and print this one special id.

emhart 13y ago
This. Whether for this specific case or in general, the rigidity of these sort of governmental/administrative systems dehumanize us. We are engaged in a conversation about the standardization of names, about applying limits to our given, or chosen names because of? What? Suppressing cultural or personal identities...why? So everyone can parse your name on an ID? For a community that routinely cries out against national ID laws and champions the right to anonymity, many of the comments on this thread surprise me.
sukuriant 13y ago
Because that will totally go well when it's checked against it being a fraud. Standardization makes finding frauds easier

daxelrod 13y ago

It's the implementation of this that's the difficult part. You also need to standardize how names are canonified into these legal constraints for when someone moves into the state. Worse, there are lots of expectations that your state and federal IDs will have matching names (or at least, names that match in the ways people expect: First and Last, with some leeway for a middle to not be there at all or be truncated to an initial). See also this discussion of naming in Japan for the difficulties people run into when there is a system with both Nicknames and Legal Names: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=6145768 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=6145768

tsm 13y ago

I agree—awkward as it is, there reaches a point where it's just unreasonable to accommodate it: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hNoS2BU6bbQ&noredirect=1 http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hNoS2BU6bbQ&noredirect=1

CanSpice 13y ago

Hawaiian is one of Hawaii's official languages (the other being English). Drivers licences in Hawaii are issued by the state, so they should have to support the Hawaiian language. In effect, the state of Hawaii has already come up with standardization: English or Hawaiian.

dalke 13y ago
Hawaiian is written in the Latin alphabet, like English, so supporting the language is not the problem. The length is the issue, and that's more a cultural issue than a language one. (English names could also be very long.) If Hawaiian names are typically very long, then this could be interpreted as a cultural bias against traditional Hawaiian names. However, in looking around for Hawaiian names, it does not seem that they are typically so long. There is not enough information for me to get a sense if this is discrimination on the basis of cultural, or a one-off case.
- CanSpice 13y ago
  In the Hawaii Tribune-Herald, they publish baby names. For September 23, there was a boy named Tyren-James Keolapulamamekaha‘aheookekaimalie Viernes. His name wouldn't fit on the Hawaii State Drivers License. Neither would Kainoa Kamakanaiho‘unamaikalaniakeakua Azaziah Espaniola Branco's full name. Hawaiian is partially written in the Latin alphabet, but it also includes five vowels with macrons (the kahako) and the 'okina for glottal stops.