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I am so confused, now. When we speak of a trans[$], is the noun used supposed to be the source-sex or the target-sex? I know it is common courtesy to refer to a

by pstack 13y ago

I am so confused, now. When we speak of a trans[$], is the noun used supposed to be the source-sex or the target-sex? I know it is common courtesy to refer to a person as their current preferred/identified gender, so does that apply to this terminology, too? That is, a transgender man would not be a man who became a woman, but a woman who is now a man?

kivikakk 13y ago
Hint: if you leave off the word transgender, it should still describe who they are; Audrey's a woman. Audrey's transgender. Audrey's a transgender woman.
jgroszko 13y ago
You refer to them by their preferred sex. A transgender man is (usually) female-to-male or FTM, and would be referred to with male pronouns. Using the pronouns of their birth gender is considered rude.
masklinn 13y ago
Yes: > a transsexual man is a person who was assigned the female sex at birth [but] identifies as a man and is transitioning or has transitioned to a male gender role and has or will have a masculine body. They're separate components of the person's identity: a transgender man is a man and transgender. From [it is common courtesy to refer to a person as their current preferred/identified gender] it follows that a transgender man is transitioning, has transitioned or will transition to masculinity.
sambeau 13y ago
As I understand it (an I may be wrong here) transgender is the movement of gender so you are transgender only when you are in flux. Once you have arrived in your preferred gender you are no longer transgender so would normally be described solely by your new gender but may for reasons of clarity be referred to as transgendered (like I needed to above). Audrey & Sophie are women. A transgendered man was,usually, once, physically, a woman. A transgendered woman was, usually, once, physically, a man. I say 'usually' because as society becomes more open about this stuff it is becoming increasingly clear that gender is a sliding scale, not a binary state. A surprisingly large percentage of the population people are born somewhere on the scale between male and female physically (and/or mentally). Hopefully we'll just get over gender. It's essentially an unhelpful social construct that is too rigid for nature.
- kivikakk 13y ago
  Usually, "transgendered" is not preferred by trans* people themselves. It sounds awkward. For a transgender person, one's gender is always what it is; it's just the body that might need adjustment. Also, it's hard to say when one's "arrived" anyway; there's not really a point when you just say "tada!" and you're all done. It's a very gradual process. Some trans* people will still rrefer to themselves as trans* even "after" transition (inasmuch as you can pinpoint an 'after') because they internalise that as part of their identity; others don't.

by pstack 13y ago

kivikakk 13y ago

Hint: if you leave off the word transgender, it should still describe who they are; Audrey's a woman. Audrey's transgender. Audrey's a transgender woman.

jgroszko 13y ago

You refer to them by their preferred sex. A transgender man is (usually) female-to-male or FTM, and would be referred to with male pronouns. Using the pronouns of their birth gender is considered rude.

masklinn 13y ago

Yes: > a transsexual man is a person who was assigned the female sex at birth [but] identifies as a man and is transitioning or has transitioned to a male gender role and has or will have a masculine body. They're separate components of the person's identity: a transgender man is a man and transgender. From [it is common courtesy to refer to a person as their current preferred/identified gender] it follows that a transgender man is transitioning, has transitioned or will transition to masculinity.

sambeau 13y ago

As I understand it (an I may be wrong here) transgender is the movement of gender so you are transgender only when you are in flux. Once you have arrived in your preferred gender you are no longer transgender so would normally be described solely by your new gender but may for reasons of clarity be referred to as transgendered (like I needed to above). Audrey & Sophie are women. A transgendered man was,usually, once, physically, a woman. A transgendered woman was, usually, once, physically, a man. I say 'usually' because as society becomes more open about this stuff it is becoming increasingly clear that gender is a sliding scale, not a binary state. A surprisingly large percentage of the population people are born somewhere on the scale between male and female physically (and/or mentally). Hopefully we'll just get over gender. It's essentially an unhelpful social construct that is too rigid for nature.

kivikakk 13y ago
Usually, "transgendered" is not preferred by trans* people themselves. It sounds awkward. For a transgender person, one's gender is always what it is; it's just the body that might need adjustment. Also, it's hard to say when one's "arrived" anyway; there's not really a point when you just say "tada!" and you're all done. It's a very gradual process. Some trans* people will still rrefer to themselves as trans* even "after" transition (inasmuch as you can pinpoint an 'after') because they internalise that as part of their identity; others don't.