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>at Fog Creek, it’s sort of assumed that everyone’s working steadily and diligently. In the absence of new information, the assumption is that you’re producing.

>at Fog Creek, it’s sort of assumed that everyone’s working steadily and diligently. In the absence of new information, the assumption is that you’re producing. Well that's a dumb assumption. The managers at Fog Creek don't do code reviews, don't look at commit logs, don't look at the features that developers have built? They just assume that everyone is being productive because they are in the office. >When you step outside the HQ work environment, you should flip that burden of proof. The burden is on you to show that you’re being productive. At my job productivity is shown by the code I commit and the features I build, not the time that I visibly appear to be typing away at my keyboard. Apparently Fog Creek does it a little differently. I'm glad I don't work there.

thezilch 13y ago
No. RTFM It’s because a few normal ways of staying involved (face time, informal chats, lunch) have been removed. From experiences of my own and from stories of my co-workers', this is the most brutal part of WFH. It takes a lot more of yourself to work diligently when you're alone and don't get the same face time, and this is about, frankly, stating how to achieve the same advantages in the next best way. Your co-workers may not know how to get that face-time back from you either; you need to initiate.
tghw 13y ago
> The managers at Fog Creek don't do code reviews, don't look at commit logs, don't look at the features that developers have built? Correct. The only managers are the founders and maybe one other person. Everyone else is part of a dev team. The managers trust the teams to do what they need to do. > At my job productivity is shown by the code I commit and the features I build, not the time that I visibly appear to be typing away at my keyboard. What gives you the impression that anyone is counting time at the keyboard? Having been both an on-site employee and the first remote dev, I can tell you it was very much about getting your code written, nothing more.

thezilch 13y ago

No. RTFM It’s because a few normal ways of staying involved (face time, informal chats, lunch) have been removed. From experiences of my own and from stories of my co-workers', this is the most brutal part of WFH. It takes a lot more of yourself to work diligently when you're alone and don't get the same face time, and this is about, frankly, stating how to achieve the same advantages in the next best way. Your co-workers may not know how to get that face-time back from you either; you need to initiate.

tghw 13y ago

> The managers at Fog Creek don't do code reviews, don't look at commit logs, don't look at the features that developers have built? Correct. The only managers are the founders and maybe one other person. Everyone else is part of a dev team. The managers trust the teams to do what they need to do. > At my job productivity is shown by the code I commit and the features I build, not the time that I visibly appear to be typing away at my keyboard. What gives you the impression that anyone is counting time at the keyboard? Having been both an on-site employee and the first remote dev, I can tell you it was very much about getting your code written, nothing more.