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Wow, I didn't realize it was quite so bad everywhere. This really shows how desperately reform in the education sector is needed. Especially the last part, a st

Wow, I didn't realize it was quite so bad everywhere. This really shows how desperately reform in the education sector is needed. Especially the last part, a student brimming with talent turned away and potentially changing fields because of it. That's scary.

dnautics 13y ago
maybe I'm being pessimistic, she got into an good school that I respect, she just - deserves more. EDIT: I guess I could be more specific. In the state of california, there is the Cal State system and the UC system, the UC system is considered to be the "top tier" system, and the CS system is widely considered to be "slightly less than". She got into a CS engineering program, that I happen to think creates a substantial number of engineers that are superior to some of the UCs, but that may or may not be the appraisal of people who hire her down the line, especially as we move towards a more credentialed system, or if the system gets flooded with less competent engineers and candidate selection trends toward the superficial.
- dschuler 13y ago
  I went to a Cal State for undergrad, and had a great experience. None of my engineering or math classes were 'seminar-style', I always had access to my professors, who generally knew me by name. Most of the students come out being able to put something together on their own. I ended up going to to a private school for my master's, and was surprised to see so many people who wouldn't know which end to hold on a soldering iron. BUT - the student body was generally much more engaged and interesting, and I ended up having a much better time there. I just wasn't blown away by their academic superiority :)
  - dnautics 13y ago
    without naming names, there are DEFINITELY programs/whole schools in the UCs that are worse than many Cal States, in my opinion. Nonetheless, my opinion in this world doesn't count for very much.
- dragonwriter 13y ago
  > In the state of california, there is the Cal State system and the UC system, the UC system is considered to be the "top tier" system, and the CS system is widely considered to be "slightly less than". The CSU system is designed to accept the top 1/3 of California high school students, the UC system the top 1/8, so, as a system, UC is by design more "elite". But that doesn't mean that all UC campuses are (or even are intended to be) superior to all CSU campuses in all programs, and certain CSU campuses are very well regarded for certain programs. (This is particularly true, IIRC, of certain CSU campuses undergraduate engineering programs.)

dnautics 13y ago

maybe I'm being pessimistic, she got into an good school that I respect, she just - deserves more. EDIT: I guess I could be more specific. In the state of california, there is the Cal State system and the UC system, the UC system is considered to be the "top tier" system, and the CS system is widely considered to be "slightly less than". She got into a CS engineering program, that I happen to think creates a substantial number of engineers that are superior to some of the UCs, but that may or may not be the appraisal of people who hire her down the line, especially as we move towards a more credentialed system, or if the system gets flooded with less competent engineers and candidate selection trends toward the superficial.

dschuler 13y ago
I went to a Cal State for undergrad, and had a great experience. None of my engineering or math classes were 'seminar-style', I always had access to my professors, who generally knew me by name. Most of the students come out being able to put something together on their own. I ended up going to to a private school for my master's, and was surprised to see so many people who wouldn't know which end to hold on a soldering iron. BUT - the student body was generally much more engaged and interesting, and I ended up having a much better time there. I just wasn't blown away by their academic superiority :)
- dnautics 13y ago
  without naming names, there are DEFINITELY programs/whole schools in the UCs that are worse than many Cal States, in my opinion. Nonetheless, my opinion in this world doesn't count for very much.
dragonwriter 13y ago
> In the state of california, there is the Cal State system and the UC system, the UC system is considered to be the "top tier" system, and the CS system is widely considered to be "slightly less than". The CSU system is designed to accept the top 1/3 of California high school students, the UC system the top 1/8, so, as a system, UC is by design more "elite". But that doesn't mean that all UC campuses are (or even are intended to be) superior to all CSU campuses in all programs, and certain CSU campuses are very well regarded for certain programs. (This is particularly true, IIRC, of certain CSU campuses undergraduate engineering programs.)