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This was more or less the argument against women in the armed forces, too. You know, it's not that they're stupid, it's just that they're just too dainty and p

• betterunix 13y ago
  It does not really help when someone goes ballistic over jokes about "dongles." My mother works in a rough profession (a railroad), and one more than one occasion someone has made immature jokes about certain long, slender tools on the job. Guess what? My mother joins in on the fun, or else just ignores it when she considers it to be beneath her humor. This might have something to do with the fact that everyone is too busy worrying about losing a finger (or worse) than with offending some dainty creature. Women can be just as tough as men. Of course, the idea that maybe this kind of banter should be all-inclusive (as it is where my mom works) is simply not up for discussion in the tech community; we're busy telling people there should be no banter at all.
  • esw 13y ago
    I understand where you're coming from, but there is an actual problem here - and it's not that these women can't take a joke. When a woman speaks at a tech conference for the first time and audience members shout "show us your tits", that's a hostile fucking environment, and it's a problem with men, not with women. When women write about how experiences like that make them feel uncomfortable in our industry, and men respond by threatening to rape and murder them, that's a problem with men, not with women.