> The truth is, Vim gives you lovely model editing and full use of the mouse, it isn't either or, you get both! ":set mouse=a" and you can use it like you proba

> The truth is, Vim gives you lovely model editing and full use of the mouse, it isn't either or, you get both! ":set mouse=a" and you can use it like you probably expect, select stuff, move around the file, use your scroll-wheel, etc. Thereby allowing vim to become almost as efficient as a modern editor, specifically by disabling those traits that make vim vim. > Once you get used to modes based editing, it is an amazing addition to any editor or GUI ... That would be why why modern editor designers make sure to include a modes mode, to appeal to time travelers visiting from earlier times. Yes, I'm kidding -- no one wants an interface that requires any more than the absolute minimum of either keystrokes or arcana unique to one editor. > ... the reason emacs and vim live on is because of fitness for the task at hand, editing text. As to the thread's topic, this is false. Vi and vim aren't as efficient as a modern editor, which is why most current computer programming activity uses tools designed with a modern computer -- and a modern computer user -- in mind. I could easily write an editor much more efficient than vi/vim -- I know this because I did, and it became very popular -- and its advantages would become obvious to all but True Believers. As soon as someone invented the control key and its purpose, and well before Douglas Engelbart invented the mouse, the retirement clock started ticking for vi and vim. It's still ticking, but it seems not everyone can hear it.