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I hate vim too, but some of your points are simply not true: > * To perform multiple operations, like moving the cursor around, entering text, deleting text, s

by lake99 13y ago

I hate vim too, but some of your points are simply not true: > * To perform multiple operations, like moving the cursor around, entering text, deleting text, searching the document, saving and loading files, requires you to switch modes. Just like vi. Open a file. Insert some text. Use arrow keys to scroll. Hit Alt-/ to search forward. Hit Alt-Shift-/ to search backwards. Sure, some commands need you to switch modes, but not all. > * It cannot take advantage of the modern computing environment -- mouse navigation, different fonts, text styling, page layout, or anything else. Just like vi. One can do text styling (but only with colours, I think) with vim. With gvim, one can use a mouse, and change fonts.

lutusp 13y ago
> I hate vim too, but some of your points are simply not true Your claim is that what I said is false. > Sure, some commands need you to switch modes, but not all. Your claim is that what I said is true. Only one of the above comments can be so. If one is true, then the other is false. Take your pick.
- Oletros 13y ago
  No, you're wrong and he is right and now it is clear that you're just laughing
  - lutusp 13y ago
    > No, you're wrong and he is right ... That's for sure. In a single post he asserted both that there are modes, and there aren't modes. That leaves no room for another viewpoint. There's one sure way to win an argument -- assert all possible viewpoints, declare victory, and depart the field.
    - lake99 13y ago
      Declare what victory? I have no* stance in superiority of the whole modal vs. non-modal deal. Whenever I have a choice, I pick a modern GUI editor, just like you. Far from "[asserting] all possible viewpoints", I mentioned specific keystrokes that you could try out too. If you are in insert-mode, and use arrow keys to visit a different location, you'd continue to be in insert-mode. Is it implemented as a secret hack to quietly enter and exit the scroll mode when arrow keys are pressed? I neither know nor care. However, in this usage scenario, modes are not exposed to the end-user. * actually, I do like modal behaviour, but in very few cases. In MS Windows, it used to be the case that Win-space z would put the window in resize-mode. One could then use arrow keys to resize the window. There was a similar sequence for moving windows too.
    - Oletros 13y ago
      No, he has not asserted that vim doesn't have modes and if you're seriously claiming that then it is clear that you have a serious cognitive problem

by lake99 13y ago

lutusp 13y ago

> I hate vim too, but some of your points are simply not true Your claim is that what I said is false. > Sure, some commands need you to switch modes, but not all. Your claim is that what I said is true. Only one of the above comments can be so. If one is true, then the other is false. Take your pick.

Oletros 13y ago
No, you're wrong and he is right and now it is clear that you're just laughing
- lutusp 13y ago
  > No, you're wrong and he is right ... That's for sure. In a single post he asserted both that there are modes, and there aren't modes. That leaves no room for another viewpoint. There's one sure way to win an argument -- assert all possible viewpoints, declare victory, and depart the field.
  - lake99 13y ago
    Declare what victory? I have no* stance in superiority of the whole modal vs. non-modal deal. Whenever I have a choice, I pick a modern GUI editor, just like you. Far from "[asserting] all possible viewpoints", I mentioned specific keystrokes that you could try out too. If you are in insert-mode, and use arrow keys to visit a different location, you'd continue to be in insert-mode. Is it implemented as a secret hack to quietly enter and exit the scroll mode when arrow keys are pressed? I neither know nor care. However, in this usage scenario, modes are not exposed to the end-user. * actually, I do like modal behaviour, but in very few cases. In MS Windows, it used to be the case that Win-space z would put the window in resize-mode. One could then use arrow keys to resize the window. There was a similar sequence for moving windows too.
  - Oletros 13y ago
    No, he has not asserted that vim doesn't have modes and if you're seriously claiming that then it is clear that you have a serious cognitive problem