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Wouldn't writing a complete test suite take equivalent effort to writing the program in the first place? I mean, wouldn't they require the same amount of inform

by donaq 17y ago

Wouldn't writing a complete test suite take equivalent effort to writing the program in the first place? I mean, wouldn't they require the same amount of information? Then, to simplify the task of writing test suites, you might want to design a programming language that compiles into test suites, but would you use your program-writing program to write the program that describes the test suite? And also, who watches the watchers?

cjp 17y ago
It's turtles. Turtles I say. Turtles all the way down!
jjb 17y ago
The test suite will describe the desired behavior, regardless of all other dimensions. The P=NP optimizer/generator will then generate an implementation that is optimal along one or more dimensions (like space or time efficiency). Also-- regardless of that, It's "easier" in several senses to describe the desired behavior of an API than to implement that API. Let's say we wanted to implement addition for a calculator. Here's a complete description: -1 is the lowest number -successor(N) is the successor to number N That's a complete description of the natural number system, but it's not a useful addition function in any sense.
- donaq 17y ago
  Let's say we wanted to implement addition for a calculator. Here's a complete description: -1 is the lowest number -successor(N) is the successor to number N In the first place, that is not a complete description of natural numbers. Natural numbers have to be integers. So if you're going to tell a computer program that "1 is the lowest number", you'd first have to tell it what you mean by "number" and "lowest". Also, "successor(N) is the successor to number N"? That seems rather meaningless. What is "successor" in the first place? If your generator already knows what "successor" means, why do you have to describe it again? If the generator doesn't know what "successor" means, why are you using it in your description of a successor function? That's a complete description of the natural number system, but it's not a useful addition function in any sense. Even assuming your description was complete, why would a description of the set of natural numbers imply the creation of an addition function? Unless we're talking about a code generator that reads minds! :)

by donaq 17y ago

cjp 17y ago

It's turtles. Turtles I say. Turtles all the way down!

jjb 17y ago

The test suite will describe the desired behavior, regardless of all other dimensions. The P=NP optimizer/generator will then generate an implementation that is optimal along one or more dimensions (like space or time efficiency). Also-- regardless of that, It's "easier" in several senses to describe the desired behavior of an API than to implement that API. Let's say we wanted to implement addition for a calculator. Here's a complete description: -1 is the lowest number -successor(N) is the successor to number N That's a complete description of the natural number system, but it's not a useful addition function in any sense.

donaq 17y ago
Let's say we wanted to implement addition for a calculator. Here's a complete description: -1 is the lowest number -successor(N) is the successor to number N In the first place, that is not a complete description of natural numbers. Natural numbers have to be integers. So if you're going to tell a computer program that "1 is the lowest number", you'd first have to tell it what you mean by "number" and "lowest". Also, "successor(N) is the successor to number N"? That seems rather meaningless. What is "successor" in the first place? If your generator already knows what "successor" means, why do you have to describe it again? If the generator doesn't know what "successor" means, why are you using it in your description of a successor function? That's a complete description of the natural number system, but it's not a useful addition function in any sense. Even assuming your description was complete, why would a description of the set of natural numbers imply the creation of an addition function? Unless we're talking about a code generator that reads minds! :)