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I was born in the former Soviet Union, and I get what you're saying. But you can't seriously say that Russian exceptionalism isn't used in service of rationaliz

I was born in the former Soviet Union, and I get what you're saying. But you can't seriously say that Russian exceptionalism isn't used in service of rationalizing the belief that the Russians are better people than the rest of the world. Consider the popularity of Zadornov's humor -- the gist of almost every joke is that foreigners are dumber than the Russians. Also this might be nitpicking, but Americans don't typically believe that they were chosen by god as special people. They typically believe that they're special people because they themselves made it happen (which IMO is largely true).

Demiurge 13y ago
Of course nationalism exists and is used in Russia. This is true for every country, but I honestly think, having experience with English, American and Spanish cultures, through their media and people as friends, that Russian exceptionism is the most self-denigrating I have ever experienced. On and on people go on how everything is better everywhere else, how everything is shit here in Russia and needs to be copied from some Western example. Jon Stewart, arguably a much better and more intelligent comedian than Zadornov, makes much more ignorant jokes (vodka/bears/Putin) about Russia than Zadornov, whos jokes in part play on the fact that Westerners simply don't have to be smart about some things because they don't deal with 3rd world problems. A lot of people who like Zadornov know this and are crying through tears.
- varjag 13y ago
  > On and on people go on how everything is better everywhere else, how everything is shit here in Russia and needs to be copied from some Western example. It's a bit complicated. Both Russian disgust towards ethnitities they consider inferior, and their bloated exceptionalism are manifestations of massive national inferiority complex that nearly everyone there suffers from.
cdi 13y ago
Americans too have Zadornov type comedians http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Larry_the_Cable_Guy http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Larry_the_Cable_Guy for example. >but Americans don't typically believe that they were chosen by god as special people. very funny. That's what American Exceptionalism is pretty much about if you listen to the right of the political spectrum.
sologoub 13y ago
Russian superiority views are a relic of the empirical past. Every empire-forming nation has that same trait - us versus barbarians. UK has this trait also and it is well illustrated in "Great Britain". Russia might have been a great place to live, if it weren't for rampant corruption. It's sad, but on a personal level, I just can't take the risk of raising a family there or trying to do business. In US, entrepreneurship carriers financial and psychological risks, but in Russia it carriers very real physical harm risks, in addition to vastly greater financial risks.
- spacebe4time 13y ago
  It isn't relic. Just like coffeemug I was born and raised in the Soviet Union. It's not openly taught in schools but most ethnic Russians consider themselves higher race and everyone else is intellectually inferior. This is even taught by Russian Orthodox Church. I graduated from high school after Soviet Union collapsed. We had this course called Christian Morality. In the class room I learned curious thing. It turned out that Jews drank blood of innocent Christian infants during their religious rituals. I am not kidding you. Russian exceptionalism is outright nationalism and borderline nazism. My own father is openly hostile Ukrainians and Pols (other Slavic people). Why? Well, because they are Ukrainians and Pols and are not Russian. Therefore, it makes them half-human. Soviet and Russian empires are long gone. But Putin and many Russians still dream to restore it.
  - guard-of-terra 13y ago
    "Christian morality" in shools is something introduced very recently which means whatever you actually got before that is unsolicited and random. No need to project that on the whole society. Same regarding your father - you can find people like that everywhere.
  - gdy 13y ago
    "most ethnic Russians consider themselves higher race and everyone else is intellectually inferior" Do you have any proof for that except for what your father thinks? Like sociologic studies or something?
- 13y ago

Demiurge 13y ago

Of course nationalism exists and is used in Russia. This is true for every country, but I honestly think, having experience with English, American and Spanish cultures, through their media and people as friends, that Russian exceptionism is the most self-denigrating I have ever experienced. On and on people go on how everything is better everywhere else, how everything is shit here in Russia and needs to be copied from some Western example. Jon Stewart, arguably a much better and more intelligent comedian than Zadornov, makes much more ignorant jokes (vodka/bears/Putin) about Russia than Zadornov, whos jokes in part play on the fact that Westerners simply don't have to be smart about some things because they don't deal with 3rd world problems. A lot of people who like Zadornov know this and are crying through tears.

varjag 13y ago
> On and on people go on how everything is better everywhere else, how everything is shit here in Russia and needs to be copied from some Western example. It's a bit complicated. Both Russian disgust towards ethnitities they consider inferior, and their bloated exceptionalism are manifestations of massive national inferiority complex that nearly everyone there suffers from.

cdi 13y ago

Americans too have Zadornov type comedians http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Larry_the_Cable_Guy http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Larry_the_Cable_Guy for example. >but Americans don't typically believe that they were chosen by god as special people. very funny. That's what American Exceptionalism is pretty much about if you listen to the right of the political spectrum.

sologoub 13y ago

Russian superiority views are a relic of the empirical past. Every empire-forming nation has that same trait - us versus barbarians. UK has this trait also and it is well illustrated in "Great Britain". Russia might have been a great place to live, if it weren't for rampant corruption. It's sad, but on a personal level, I just can't take the risk of raising a family there or trying to do business. In US, entrepreneurship carriers financial and psychological risks, but in Russia it carriers very real physical harm risks, in addition to vastly greater financial risks.

spacebe4time 13y ago
It isn't relic. Just like coffeemug I was born and raised in the Soviet Union. It's not openly taught in schools but most ethnic Russians consider themselves higher race and everyone else is intellectually inferior. This is even taught by Russian Orthodox Church. I graduated from high school after Soviet Union collapsed. We had this course called Christian Morality. In the class room I learned curious thing. It turned out that Jews drank blood of innocent Christian infants during their religious rituals. I am not kidding you. Russian exceptionalism is outright nationalism and borderline nazism. My own father is openly hostile Ukrainians and Pols (other Slavic people). Why? Well, because they are Ukrainians and Pols and are not Russian. Therefore, it makes them half-human. Soviet and Russian empires are long gone. But Putin and many Russians still dream to restore it.
- guard-of-terra 13y ago
  "Christian morality" in shools is something introduced very recently which means whatever you actually got before that is unsolicited and random. No need to project that on the whole society. Same regarding your father - you can find people like that everywhere.
- gdy 13y ago
  "most ethnic Russians consider themselves higher race and everyone else is intellectually inferior" Do you have any proof for that except for what your father thinks? Like sociologic studies or something?
13y ago