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I resent the fact that you think I'm an idiot. I have had two engineers check for EXIF data and there is 'nothing interesting in there'

by jbg331 13y ago

Pxtl 13y ago
Heh, geek blog effect. Reddit et al have created some very bad habits of dialogue, such as assuming the subject of a link isn't reading it. And being nasty with candor. I still remember the time I said something impolite about David Brin. Brin took offense and replied. I'm actually a huge fan of David Brin. That sucked.
- AsymetricCom 13y ago
  I'm not sure where you go the idea that pseudo-celebs and IT managers are immune to stupidity or posting stupid articles. There's always an element of "who cares if my content sucks, lets just get it done" when posting bloggy stuff, and it's pretty apparent here. Calling EXIF "back end stuff" is pretty stupid, I don't care if the author's ego is bigger than that statement, it's still true. The article might as well be how many apples fit in a bag or how long is a string.
  - Pxtl 13y ago
    http://cdn.memegenerator.net/instances/400x/37048520.jpg http://cdn.memegenerator.net/instances/400x/37048520.jpg edit: I'm aware of the irony in criticizing online geek culture and then bringing out a foul-mouthed meme pic.
- jbg331 13y ago
  @asymetric - I am not an engineer, I don't know how a lot of these things work. Rather than critique, I would appreciate a better analogy that I can use in the future
  - Pxtl 13y ago
    HN tries to avoid that kind of rudeness, but it happens. Like I said, geeks can get bad habits from the locker-room culture online. You'll notice that your critic's posts are gradually fading to grey thanks to all the downvotes he's accumulating (established users get a downvote button).
Someone 13y ago
The same two engineers who found out who she was? :-) Seriously: given your story, if, say, they are colleagues, too, they may be in on it, and lie to you about the EXIF data (if they _are_ engineers, they certainly lied; how can there ever be 'nothing interesting' in EXIF data :-)?) Most of the time, the simple answer is the likely one. My money is on the high school-yearbook line, but it might have been anything (did one of your colleagues go to the same school?).
- jbg331 13y ago
  No, I am sitting with engineering founders from a different company who looked at the same picture sent in the same way I sent it to phil.
- fnordfnordfnord 13y ago
  > how can there ever be 'nothing interesting' in EXIF data :-)?) If one strips all of the metadata a photo, or replaces it with metadata from another photo, or makes up some bogus metadata.
  - Someone 13y ago
    "If one strips all of the metadata a photo" A photo without EXIF data? Someone must be trying to hide something from me. Let's see how good he is, and check whether there still are parts of the file with metadata in the disk's free blocks. "or replaces it with metadata from another photo" A Nikon F5 at f/5.6 and 1/100s? No way! If so, that car must have done a thousand kilometers an hour or so. Also, the aberration looks more like that of an Canon lens, but I'm not 100% sure of the model. I wonder whether it is possible to train a model on the 'JPG to camera model' problem. "or makes up some bogus metadata." Hm, I thought the Eiffel Tower clone in Japan was in Shanghai. The GPS coordinates seem to indicate that Tokio has one, too. Let's google to check that. OK, that's more for the hacker engineer, but I thought one would not have to make that explicit on HN.
    - qu4z-2 13y ago
      Assuming "interesting" means "relevant to finding the identity", and you strip the metadata before sending the photo you should be fine.
AsymetricCom 13y ago
The fact that you required two engineers to do something that you could have confirmed yourself with 2 seconds of Googling shows that your ego is a bit inflated.
- scott_s 13y ago
  Please stop.
- jasdeepsingh 13y ago
  I like the grey color of your comments. Where did you get that? :)
  - AsymetricCom 13y ago
    testicular elephantitis

I resent the fact that you think I'm an idiot. I have had two engineers check for EXIF data and there is 'nothing interesting in there'

by jbg331 13y ago

I resent the fact that you think I'm an idiot. I have had two engineers check for EXIF data and there is 'nothing interesting in there'

Pxtl 13y ago

Heh, geek blog effect. Reddit et al have created some very bad habits of dialogue, such as assuming the subject of a link isn't reading it. And being nasty with candor. I still remember the time I said something impolite about David Brin. Brin took offense and replied. I'm actually a huge fan of David Brin. That sucked.

AsymetricCom 13y ago
I'm not sure where you go the idea that pseudo-celebs and IT managers are immune to stupidity or posting stupid articles. There's always an element of "who cares if my content sucks, lets just get it done" when posting bloggy stuff, and it's pretty apparent here. Calling EXIF "back end stuff" is pretty stupid, I don't care if the author's ego is bigger than that statement, it's still true. The article might as well be how many apples fit in a bag or how long is a string.
- Pxtl 13y ago
  http://cdn.memegenerator.net/instances/400x/37048520.jpg http://cdn.memegenerator.net/instances/400x/37048520.jpg edit: I'm aware of the irony in criticizing online geek culture and then bringing out a foul-mouthed meme pic.
jbg331 13y ago
@asymetric - I am not an engineer, I don't know how a lot of these things work. Rather than critique, I would appreciate a better analogy that I can use in the future
- Pxtl 13y ago
  HN tries to avoid that kind of rudeness, but it happens. Like I said, geeks can get bad habits from the locker-room culture online. You'll notice that your critic's posts are gradually fading to grey thanks to all the downvotes he's accumulating (established users get a downvote button).

Someone 13y ago

The same two engineers who found out who she was? :-) Seriously: given your story, if, say, they are colleagues, too, they may be in on it, and lie to you about the EXIF data (if they _are_ engineers, they certainly lied; how can there ever be 'nothing interesting' in EXIF data :-)?) Most of the time, the simple answer is the likely one. My money is on the high school-yearbook line, but it might have been anything (did one of your colleagues go to the same school?).

jbg331 13y ago
No, I am sitting with engineering founders from a different company who looked at the same picture sent in the same way I sent it to phil.
fnordfnordfnord 13y ago
> how can there ever be 'nothing interesting' in EXIF data :-)?) If one strips all of the metadata a photo, or replaces it with metadata from another photo, or makes up some bogus metadata.
- Someone 13y ago
  "If one strips all of the metadata a photo" A photo without EXIF data? Someone must be trying to hide something from me. Let's see how good he is, and check whether there still are parts of the file with metadata in the disk's free blocks. "or replaces it with metadata from another photo" A Nikon F5 at f/5.6 and 1/100s? No way! If so, that car must have done a thousand kilometers an hour or so. Also, the aberration looks more like that of an Canon lens, but I'm not 100% sure of the model. I wonder whether it is possible to train a model on the 'JPG to camera model' problem. "or makes up some bogus metadata." Hm, I thought the Eiffel Tower clone in Japan was in Shanghai. The GPS coordinates seem to indicate that Tokio has one, too. Let's google to check that. OK, that's more for the hacker engineer, but I thought one would not have to make that explicit on HN.
  - qu4z-2 13y ago
    Assuming "interesting" means "relevant to finding the identity", and you strip the metadata before sending the photo you should be fine.

AsymetricCom 13y ago

The fact that you required two engineers to do something that you could have confirmed yourself with 2 seconds of Googling shows that your ego is a bit inflated.

scott_s 13y ago
Please stop.
jasdeepsingh 13y ago
I like the grey color of your comments. Where did you get that? :)
- AsymetricCom 13y ago
  testicular elephantitis