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> As someone who already owns a Nexus 4 and a 1st gen Nexus 7 they are already a > commodity, I bought my N4 for half what an iPhone 5 costs. Good for you. Pr

by chmars 13y ago

> As someone who already owns a Nexus 4 and a 1st gen Nexus 7 they are already a > commodity, I bought my N4 for half what an iPhone 5 costs. Good for you. Premium products are not for everyone. Part of the Apple premium products is for example that I can simply walk into the next Apple Store to get support in case of any problems. From my home, I can reach two Apple Stores by public transport in about 30 minutes, form my office, it's a 10-minute walk to one of the two Apple Stores. Last year for example, I dropped my iPhone 4S and the screen was broken to uselessness. A stupid mistake on my side. I immediately scheduled an appointment with the local Apple Store and 2 hours later, I was talking to a 'genius'. The offered to replace my iPhone 4S with a new 4S for about 280 USD; I had bought the iPhone 4S for about USD 960. OK, perfect, so I walked out with a new 4S 10-15 minutes later and thanks to my iCloud backup, my new iPhone 4S was up and running a few hours later. Where's the Google equivalent?

noir_lord 13y ago
> Good for you. Premium products are not for everyone. Ouch, you are off course right, my nexus 4 only has 1280x768 screen vs the 960x640 screen in your 4S and as a non-premium product owner I only get 110% the talktime and a piddling 200% standby time plus your premium product has a full 512Mb RAM vs the miniscule 2Gb in my non-premium product and the 0.3 megapixel front camera vs the 1.3megapixel camera in mine is just outstanding luckily though your 800Mhz dual core A9 will annihilate my quad core 1500Mhz Krait. Luckily you will be able to upgrade to the 5S which will then have a glorious 1136x640 screen vs the 1280x768 in the current (and about to be replaced) N4. > my iPhone 4S with a new 4S for about 280 USD; I had bought the iPhone 4S for about USD 960 Good customer service, so you paid 1240 for two 4S's, I can buy 6 N4's for that and still have 40 change (though this is disingenuous as they just dropped the price so call it 4 and a good night out). Better hardware, less than half the price, more open platform and I can run it on giffgaff so for £200 plus £15 a month payg I get state of the art hardware plus 400 minutes, unlimited internet, unlimited texts and I can upgrade whenever I want. That sounds premium to me.
- saturdaysaint 13y ago
  I own a new Nexus 7 and its interface still feels gummy and slow compared to my 3 year old iPhone 4S. The iPhone 5 is in another league. It's amazing that Google really hasn't figured out scrolling. I don't know what good specs are when they don't seem to translate to performance. The Play Store is alright, but it's like going from HBO to cable - it literally looks like the iOS store a year ago. Games and music creation are particularly behind. I like some things about Android, and if Apple went out of business I wouldn't lose much sleep, but there are still things about the iPhone worth paying a premium for.
  - noir_lord 13y ago
    I've played with an iPhone 4S and I found the fluidity of the interface excellent at the time and better than Android (back then) but since Project Butter I've not noticed the N4 or N7 feeling gummy or slow. It's interesting how subjective this stuff is, I find the interface on Mac OS-X (which my business partner uses) slow and counter-intuitive while he finds the interface of Mint XFCE the same, I wonder if lack of familiarity plays a part perhaps.
- chmars 13y ago
  > That sounds premium to me. That's OK, of course, your mileage may (and apparently does) vary. Service is very important to me. As described in my example: I destroyed an expensive smartphone and Apple allowed me to replace my smartphone for 30% of the original price on the same day. I need a working smartphone all the time, I don't have to know the exact technical specifications. I don't need an open platform with only theoretical advantages and I'm willing (and able) to pay for a premium product. Again, there's no right or wrong in my opinion. BTW, when I checked the N4 prices, I didn't find a 64 GB version. That makes a price comparison between your N4 and my (now former) iPhone 4S of course difficult.

by chmars 13y ago

noir_lord 13y ago

> Good for you. Premium products are not for everyone. Ouch, you are off course right, my nexus 4 only has 1280x768 screen vs the 960x640 screen in your 4S and as a non-premium product owner I only get 110% the talktime and a piddling 200% standby time plus your premium product has a full 512Mb RAM vs the miniscule 2Gb in my non-premium product and the 0.3 megapixel front camera vs the 1.3megapixel camera in mine is just outstanding luckily though your 800Mhz dual core A9 will annihilate my quad core 1500Mhz Krait. Luckily you will be able to upgrade to the 5S which will then have a glorious 1136x640 screen vs the 1280x768 in the current (and about to be replaced) N4. > my iPhone 4S with a new 4S for about 280 USD; I had bought the iPhone 4S for about USD 960 Good customer service, so you paid 1240 for two 4S's, I can buy 6 N4's for that and still have 40 change (though this is disingenuous as they just dropped the price so call it 4 and a good night out). Better hardware, less than half the price, more open platform and I can run it on giffgaff so for £200 plus £15 a month payg I get state of the art hardware plus 400 minutes, unlimited internet, unlimited texts and I can upgrade whenever I want. That sounds premium to me.

saturdaysaint 13y ago
I own a new Nexus 7 and its interface still feels gummy and slow compared to my 3 year old iPhone 4S. The iPhone 5 is in another league. It's amazing that Google really hasn't figured out scrolling. I don't know what good specs are when they don't seem to translate to performance. The Play Store is alright, but it's like going from HBO to cable - it literally looks like the iOS store a year ago. Games and music creation are particularly behind. I like some things about Android, and if Apple went out of business I wouldn't lose much sleep, but there are still things about the iPhone worth paying a premium for.
- noir_lord 13y ago
  I've played with an iPhone 4S and I found the fluidity of the interface excellent at the time and better than Android (back then) but since Project Butter I've not noticed the N4 or N7 feeling gummy or slow. It's interesting how subjective this stuff is, I find the interface on Mac OS-X (which my business partner uses) slow and counter-intuitive while he finds the interface of Mint XFCE the same, I wonder if lack of familiarity plays a part perhaps.
chmars 13y ago
> That sounds premium to me. That's OK, of course, your mileage may (and apparently does) vary. Service is very important to me. As described in my example: I destroyed an expensive smartphone and Apple allowed me to replace my smartphone for 30% of the original price on the same day. I need a working smartphone all the time, I don't have to know the exact technical specifications. I don't need an open platform with only theoretical advantages and I'm willing (and able) to pay for a premium product. Again, there's no right or wrong in my opinion. BTW, when I checked the N4 prices, I didn't find a 64 GB version. That makes a price comparison between your N4 and my (now former) iPhone 4S of course difficult.