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I really like the way Glenn is moving the story. Every new punch is unexpected. And gives enough rope to the Administration to hang themselves. Can by these de

I really like the way Glenn is moving the story. Every new punch is unexpected. And gives enough rope to the Administration to hang themselves. Can by these deals the NSA whitewash intelligence? If something has come from outside sources they can use it.

slurry 13y ago
Normally I can't stand Greenwald because even though he's usually right imho, he has to drama everything up so hard and force everything into a simplistic moral narrative that it's usually not even worth reading him. But in this case, deciding when to strategically leak things, a little theatricality goes a long way, and a metric ton of theatricality goes even longer. And the machine for spinning and glossing over this stuff is so quick and vast that a handy cheap morality play might be all that stands between awareness and total effective oblivion. So, thank FSM for Glenn Greenwald being insufferably obnoxious.
- detcader 13y ago
  >FSM His ripping of the New Atheists got to you?
  - slurry 13y ago
    Not actually a big fan of the New Atheists. Don't recall reading Greenwald's ripping of them but I'd probably agree with most of it. Other than Citizens United, I can't recall an issue where I've thought Greenwald was wrong on principle. I can recall a lot where I thought he was naive, annoying or obtuse. Sort of like RMS. And in this case, it's a very good thing that he's over the top and naive. Someone who was understated and pragmatic probably wouldn't publish this at all or get as much attention if they did.
    - detcader 13y ago
      here it is http://www.guardian.co.uk/commentisfree/2013/apr/03/sam-harris-muslim-animus http://www.guardian.co.uk/commentisfree/2013/apr/03/sam-harr...
- ankitml 13y ago
  Apart from attacking the author personally, do you have any stronger argument. Usually stronger argument focuses on the content of article shared.
  - slurry 13y ago
    Shorter me: "I think Greenwald is annoying but he's doing a good job with this." Not sure why you'd fix in on "Greenwald is annoying".

slurry 13y ago

Normally I can't stand Greenwald because even though he's usually right imho, he has to drama everything up so hard and force everything into a simplistic moral narrative that it's usually not even worth reading him. But in this case, deciding when to strategically leak things, a little theatricality goes a long way, and a metric ton of theatricality goes even longer. And the machine for spinning and glossing over this stuff is so quick and vast that a handy cheap morality play might be all that stands between awareness and total effective oblivion. So, thank FSM for Glenn Greenwald being insufferably obnoxious.

detcader 13y ago
>FSM His ripping of the New Atheists got to you?
- slurry 13y ago
  Not actually a big fan of the New Atheists. Don't recall reading Greenwald's ripping of them but I'd probably agree with most of it. Other than Citizens United, I can't recall an issue where I've thought Greenwald was wrong on principle. I can recall a lot where I thought he was naive, annoying or obtuse. Sort of like RMS. And in this case, it's a very good thing that he's over the top and naive. Someone who was understated and pragmatic probably wouldn't publish this at all or get as much attention if they did.
  - detcader 13y ago
    here it is http://www.guardian.co.uk/commentisfree/2013/apr/03/sam-harris-muslim-animus http://www.guardian.co.uk/commentisfree/2013/apr/03/sam-harr...
ankitml 13y ago
Apart from attacking the author personally, do you have any stronger argument. Usually stronger argument focuses on the content of article shared.
- slurry 13y ago
  Shorter me: "I think Greenwald is annoying but he's doing a good job with this." Not sure why you'd fix in on "Greenwald is annoying".