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It's very difficult to achieve what you mentioned, though I agree with you. Organization that can easily scale and keep itself stay at organic growth status? I

by LiweiZ 13y ago

It's very difficult to achieve what you mentioned, though I agree with you. Organization that can easily scale and keep itself stay at organic growth status? I don't see any example existing yet. Do you have some cases like this to share?

calinet6 13y ago
We also haven't put a man on mars, but we know almost exactly how we might do it. There are a lot of barriers to this, most of them cultural and influential. Otherwise it is not difficult, just difficult to change our essential belifs about people and how they operate in a system, instead of as flawed individuals whom we can game and blame for our own advantage. For companies who do this, the place to look would be Japanese companies influenced by Deming. In tech, many companies take on some of these ideas, but I haven't seen many that do all of them well. Also look at the Deming prize, which was given to companies who used his methods successfully: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Deming_Prize http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Deming_Prize This article sums up my thoughts on the matter: http://www.examiner.com/article/what-happened-to-the-deming-philosophy http://www.examiner.com/article/what-happened-to-the-deming-...
- LiweiZ 13y ago
  Thank you for your information. It seems we come from different perspectives but with similar conclusions, which is actually people perceive the same thing from slightly different angles. The last place I updated my theory regarding organization is complexity theory. If you are interested to have a look at it, this article on Wiki could be a good start: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Complexity_theory_and_organizations http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Complexity_theory_and_organizat.... Human beings are interesting creatures. Hope a different way for understanding provides something new to think of. I guess the evolution of organization in terms of how it is structured is closely connected with how people perceive the world and their value system. While this part keeps changing, there could be structures we are not able to imagine now. So the attributes of the fundamental elements, people, of an organization seem to be the thing to limit what an organization can achieve, just like you mentioned. Thanks for the discussion. I think I just got new ideas on this topic through the discussion.
  - calinet6 13y ago
    Cheers! Thank you as well for the thoughts.

by LiweiZ 13y ago

calinet6 13y ago

We also haven't put a man on mars, but we know almost exactly how we might do it. There are a lot of barriers to this, most of them cultural and influential. Otherwise it is not difficult, just difficult to change our essential belifs about people and how they operate in a system, instead of as flawed individuals whom we can game and blame for our own advantage. For companies who do this, the place to look would be Japanese companies influenced by Deming. In tech, many companies take on some of these ideas, but I haven't seen many that do all of them well. Also look at the Deming prize, which was given to companies who used his methods successfully: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Deming_Prize http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Deming_Prize This article sums up my thoughts on the matter: http://www.examiner.com/article/what-happened-to-the-deming-philosophy http://www.examiner.com/article/what-happened-to-the-deming-...

LiweiZ 13y ago
Thank you for your information. It seems we come from different perspectives but with similar conclusions, which is actually people perceive the same thing from slightly different angles. The last place I updated my theory regarding organization is complexity theory. If you are interested to have a look at it, this article on Wiki could be a good start: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Complexity_theory_and_organizations http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Complexity_theory_and_organizat.... Human beings are interesting creatures. Hope a different way for understanding provides something new to think of. I guess the evolution of organization in terms of how it is structured is closely connected with how people perceive the world and their value system. While this part keeps changing, there could be structures we are not able to imagine now. So the attributes of the fundamental elements, people, of an organization seem to be the thing to limit what an organization can achieve, just like you mentioned. Thanks for the discussion. I think I just got new ideas on this topic through the discussion.
- calinet6 13y ago
  Cheers! Thank you as well for the thoughts.