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This was posted on Hacker News a while back, I'm sure there where interesting comments: http://peoplemov.in/ http://peoplemov.in/ Original discussion here: htt

by rrreese 13y ago

This was posted on Hacker News a while back, I'm sure there where interesting comments: http://peoplemov.in/ http://peoplemov.in/ Original discussion here: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=5133098 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=5133098 The rankings for migrant destinations are: USA 42,788,029 RUSSIAN FED. 12,270,388 GERMANY 10,758,061 SAUDI ARABIA 7,288,900 CANADA 7,202,340 UNITED KINGDOM 6,955,738 SPAIN 6,900,547 FRANCE 6,684,842 AUSTRALIA 5,522,408 INDIA 5,436,012 Data is sourced from the World Bank

guard-of-terra 13y ago
Keep in mind that about immigration perception in Russia: Russians don't consider most Ukrainians/Belarussians immigrants (I assume americans would not consider canadians who just happened to work in the USA immigrants as well) But peoplemov.in statistics wildly understate the number of immigrants from Central Asia who often aren't properly accounted for or just live here illegaly because of porous borders.
tokenadult 13y ago
Oh, I see the source at the earlier Hacker News discussion also lists Russia as a high-ranked country for people moving out. That was my curiosity about the issue: this town is full of immigrants from Russia. From that article: Top emigration countries MEXICO 11,859,236 INDIA 11,360,823 RUSSIAN FED. 11,034,681 CHINA 8,344,726 UKRAINE 6,525,145 BANGLADESH 5,384,875 PAKISTAN 4,678,730 So, yes, I was speaking of NET immigration, for which the United States still seems easily to be the top-ranked country. The point in another reply is correct that laws about immigration limit freedom of movement to some extent, but that is also revelatory about what people desire. The United States doesn't have to do anything to keep people already here in, but its government has been called on by some domestic voters to make it hard for just anyone to come in from outside.
- WildUtah 13y ago
  And here's just one obvious shouting indication in the data of how complex reality is. We see that the USA is the number one destination country in worldwide immigration upthread. Then we see in the parent that Mexico is the number one country for emigration. But over the past five years, in every single year, according to the Pew Hispanic Center, there have been more people moving from the USA to Mexico than the reverse. And Russia is high up on both lists; that demands some kind of explanation, too. You're going to need a lot more detailed information about what is really motivating migration before you can use numbers like that to measure the desirability of any nation for residence or citizenship.
- gdy 13y ago
  If you take <a href="http://databanksearch.worldbank.org/DataSearch/LoadReport.aspx?db=2&cntrycode=&sercode=SM.POP.NETM&yrcode=">the http://databanksearch.worldbank.org/DataSearch/LoadReport.as... World Bank net migration data for 2010</a> Russia is still near the top while the second place is taken by UAE which seem to be just a little worse than the USA J United States 4 954 924,00 United Arab Emirates 3 076 634,00 Spain 2 250 005,00 Italy 1 998 926,00 Russian Federation 1 135 737,00

by rrreese 13y ago

guard-of-terra 13y ago

Keep in mind that about immigration perception in Russia: Russians don't consider most Ukrainians/Belarussians immigrants (I assume americans would not consider canadians who just happened to work in the USA immigrants as well) But peoplemov.in statistics wildly understate the number of immigrants from Central Asia who often aren't properly accounted for or just live here illegaly because of porous borders.

tokenadult 13y ago

Oh, I see the source at the earlier Hacker News discussion also lists Russia as a high-ranked country for people moving out. That was my curiosity about the issue: this town is full of immigrants from Russia. From that article: Top emigration countries MEXICO 11,859,236 INDIA 11,360,823 RUSSIAN FED. 11,034,681 CHINA 8,344,726 UKRAINE 6,525,145 BANGLADESH 5,384,875 PAKISTAN 4,678,730 So, yes, I was speaking of NET immigration, for which the United States still seems easily to be the top-ranked country. The point in another reply is correct that laws about immigration limit freedom of movement to some extent, but that is also revelatory about what people desire. The United States doesn't have to do anything to keep people already here in, but its government has been called on by some domestic voters to make it hard for just anyone to come in from outside.

WildUtah 13y ago
And here's just one obvious shouting indication in the data of how complex reality is. We see that the USA is the number one destination country in worldwide immigration upthread. Then we see in the parent that Mexico is the number one country for emigration. But over the past five years, in every single year, according to the Pew Hispanic Center, there have been more people moving from the USA to Mexico than the reverse. And Russia is high up on both lists; that demands some kind of explanation, too. You're going to need a lot more detailed information about what is really motivating migration before you can use numbers like that to measure the desirability of any nation for residence or citizenship.
gdy 13y ago
If you take <a href="http://databanksearch.worldbank.org/DataSearch/LoadReport.aspx?db=2&cntrycode=&sercode=SM.POP.NETM&yrcode=">the http://databanksearch.worldbank.org/DataSearch/LoadReport.as... World Bank net migration data for 2010</a> Russia is still near the top while the second place is taken by UAE which seem to be just a little worse than the USA J United States 4 954 924,00 United Arab Emirates 3 076 634,00 Spain 2 250 005,00 Italy 1 998 926,00 Russian Federation 1 135 737,00