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You are still going with that "it's just a powerpoint, it means nothing" line? I thought we dispensed with that notion months ago.

by jlgreco 13y ago

res0nat0r 13y ago
Yes. There is zero evidence of any type of NSA backdooring your iPhone nonsense. It would be great to read HN (where I thought we were more technically inclined than the rest of the net) for a day without unfounded nonsensical claims.
- jlgreco 13y ago
  Yes, it is simply inconceivable that hard evidence of the activities of a spy agency might not be forthcoming... We are dealing with the realm of speculation, but it is not speculation fueled by some sort of tinfoil hatted lunacy. With the role that smartphones fill in peoples' lives today, you are just going to have to come to grips with the fact that, going forward, some people are going to consider the privacy of new devices to be very relevant, and well worth discussing. Don't be surprised when people error on the side of caution. You want to talk about battery life and color? Well I want to talk about display DPI and privacy. Learn to cope.
- smtddr 13y ago
  This isn't just some random tinfoilhat idea that came out of nowhere. Remember CarrierIQ on Android? The NSA is real, the tinfoil-hats have been validated whether you believe it or not. From the NSA's point of view, having everyone's fingerprint on file would be fantastic and we know they have the power to force Apple to cooperate. In fact, I'm just assuming that's what will happen so now I'll be careful about borrowing anyone's iPhone. Everything about tech is going to be cross-examined with potential(read: definite future) data gathering usage by the NSA.
- nilliams 13y ago
  Backdooring iPhones does sound fantasical but that is not the only means your fingerprint data could conceivably make its way beyond your iPhone. I like that my fingerprint data is on precisely no computer anywhere. You don't have to be a massive conspiracy theory nut to feel slightly uneasy recording your fingerprint on anything.
  - jlgreco 13y ago
    > feel slightly uneasy recording your fingerprint on anything. I assume you mean digitally record, unless you're wearing gloves. ;)
- brymaster 13y ago
  Wrong. > In one case, after the government learned that a foreign intelligence target had ordered new computer hardware, the American manufacturer agreed to insert a back door into the product before it was shipped, someone familiar with the request told The Times. http://www.nytimes.com/2013/09/06/us/nsa-foils-much-internet-encryption.html?_r=0 http://www.nytimes.com/2013/09/06/us/nsa-foils-much-internet...
  - res0nat0r 13y ago
    "Someone" testified that an American manufacturer planted a back door into "a" product "somewhere". Compelling. So from that you extrapolate all devices made by US companies are secretly under the control of the NSA? Pretty big logical leap there.
    - brymaster 13y ago
      I know that you already dismiss the global surveillance from the NSA and other agencies because of your earlier comment "of a few powerpoint slides." That leads me to believe that you're either part of an organization that's subverting the internet and assisting the NSA or you're willfully ignorant. Fact is, your other comments point that you have not well-researched the situation. Every week there's a new revelation of just how deep the surveillance really is-- not just "metadata" but ALL data is being collected. The NSA hacks into companies, pays off others for cooperation. Backdoors. Broken encryption. It's all there out in the open thanks to the documents that have been leaked. You do harm to the liberty of others by dismissing these facts.
      - mburns 13y ago
        > because of your earlier comment "of a few powerpoint slides." > It's all there out in the open thanks to the documents that have been leaked. You dismiss his point that unsubstantiated documents is largely the source of all this speculation and then you remake a bunch of unsubstantiated claims, saying they are all proved by the aforementioned documents.

You are still going with that "it's just a powerpoint, it means nothing" line? I thought we dispensed with that notion months ago.

by jlgreco 13y ago

You are still going with that "it's just a powerpoint, it means nothing" line? I thought we dispensed with that notion months ago.

res0nat0r 13y ago

Yes. There is zero evidence of any type of NSA backdooring your iPhone nonsense. It would be great to read HN (where I thought we were more technically inclined than the rest of the net) for a day without unfounded nonsensical claims.

jlgreco 13y ago
Yes, it is simply inconceivable that hard evidence of the activities of a spy agency might not be forthcoming... We are dealing with the realm of speculation, but it is not speculation fueled by some sort of tinfoil hatted lunacy. With the role that smartphones fill in peoples' lives today, you are just going to have to come to grips with the fact that, going forward, some people are going to consider the privacy of new devices to be very relevant, and well worth discussing. Don't be surprised when people error on the side of caution. You want to talk about battery life and color? Well I want to talk about display DPI and privacy. Learn to cope.
smtddr 13y ago
This isn't just some random tinfoilhat idea that came out of nowhere. Remember CarrierIQ on Android? The NSA is real, the tinfoil-hats have been validated whether you believe it or not. From the NSA's point of view, having everyone's fingerprint on file would be fantastic and we know they have the power to force Apple to cooperate. In fact, I'm just assuming that's what will happen so now I'll be careful about borrowing anyone's iPhone. Everything about tech is going to be cross-examined with potential(read: definite future) data gathering usage by the NSA.
nilliams 13y ago
Backdooring iPhones does sound fantasical but that is not the only means your fingerprint data could conceivably make its way beyond your iPhone. I like that my fingerprint data is on precisely no computer anywhere. You don't have to be a massive conspiracy theory nut to feel slightly uneasy recording your fingerprint on anything.
- jlgreco 13y ago
  > feel slightly uneasy recording your fingerprint on anything. I assume you mean digitally record, unless you're wearing gloves. ;)
brymaster 13y ago
Wrong. > In one case, after the government learned that a foreign intelligence target had ordered new computer hardware, the American manufacturer agreed to insert a back door into the product before it was shipped, someone familiar with the request told The Times. http://www.nytimes.com/2013/09/06/us/nsa-foils-much-internet-encryption.html?_r=0 http://www.nytimes.com/2013/09/06/us/nsa-foils-much-internet...
- res0nat0r 13y ago
  "Someone" testified that an American manufacturer planted a back door into "a" product "somewhere". Compelling. So from that you extrapolate all devices made by US companies are secretly under the control of the NSA? Pretty big logical leap there.
  - brymaster 13y ago
    I know that you already dismiss the global surveillance from the NSA and other agencies because of your earlier comment "of a few powerpoint slides." That leads me to believe that you're either part of an organization that's subverting the internet and assisting the NSA or you're willfully ignorant. Fact is, your other comments point that you have not well-researched the situation. Every week there's a new revelation of just how deep the surveillance really is-- not just "metadata" but ALL data is being collected. The NSA hacks into companies, pays off others for cooperation. Backdoors. Broken encryption. It's all there out in the open thanks to the documents that have been leaked. You do harm to the liberty of others by dismissing these facts.
    - mburns 13y ago
      > because of your earlier comment "of a few powerpoint slides." > It's all there out in the open thanks to the documents that have been leaked. You dismiss his point that unsubstantiated documents is largely the source of all this speculation and then you remake a bunch of unsubstantiated claims, saying they are all proved by the aforementioned documents.