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You are welcome to your opinion, but you aren't welcome to try to force me to accept it as fact. I've seen no evidence to support your interpretation, and all

by asdasf 13y ago

You are welcome to your opinion, but you aren't welcome to try to force me to accept it as fact. I've seen no evidence to support your interpretation, and all my experience has shown the opposite. What wider implications make the millions of other taunts adolescents hurl at each other effective? Have you spoken to a high school girl before? Do you actually think they believe there is some "woman's place" making a sandwich for a man? The majority of them think it is just something to say, like any other random taunt. Just because you want there to be sexism there, doesn't mean there actually is.

hackinthebochs 13y ago
I, too, was a child, and so I have my own counter-anecdotes. Most taunts from kids don't have wider cultural implications. Sexist insults are an exception--as are racist insults, you certainly wouldn't be so dense as to claim that a kid calling another black kid a nigger derives its power from 4th-grade-power-dynamics would you?
- asdasf 13y ago
  That depends on the context. Believe it or not, plenty of kids of all colors have no idea what nigger means or why it is offensive. A white kid calling a black kid a nigger can be racism, or it can be that the kid has no idea what it means and also calls white kids and asian kids niggers too. That's really the very crux of the issue here, sexism is a motivation, it doesn't exist purely because the word sandwich is used. Just as the word nigger does not automatically mean racism is involved, racism is a motivation that could cause someone to use the word, but that doesn't mean you can extrapolate backwards and say there is always racism behind the word.
  - hackinthebochs 13y ago
    Your defense of your point is bordering on the absurd. Yes, its technically true that these things may not indicate racism/sexism is the motivation behind their usage, but the vast vast majority of their usages are derived from racist/sexist thoughts from the wider culture or in the individual themselves. This is even more true in the case of the word nigger. To offer your point as if it has any usefulness in practice is ludicrous.
    - asdasf 13y ago
      Except that is exactly what is happening in the case the article presents.
      - hackinthebochs 13y ago
        And now we're back to the original point of contention.

by asdasf 13y ago

hackinthebochs 13y ago

I, too, was a child, and so I have my own counter-anecdotes. Most taunts from kids don't have wider cultural implications. Sexist insults are an exception--as are racist insults, you certainly wouldn't be so dense as to claim that a kid calling another black kid a nigger derives its power from 4th-grade-power-dynamics would you?

asdasf 13y ago
That depends on the context. Believe it or not, plenty of kids of all colors have no idea what nigger means or why it is offensive. A white kid calling a black kid a nigger can be racism, or it can be that the kid has no idea what it means and also calls white kids and asian kids niggers too. That's really the very crux of the issue here, sexism is a motivation, it doesn't exist purely because the word sandwich is used. Just as the word nigger does not automatically mean racism is involved, racism is a motivation that could cause someone to use the word, but that doesn't mean you can extrapolate backwards and say there is always racism behind the word.
- hackinthebochs 13y ago
  Your defense of your point is bordering on the absurd. Yes, its technically true that these things may not indicate racism/sexism is the motivation behind their usage, but the vast vast majority of their usages are derived from racist/sexist thoughts from the wider culture or in the individual themselves. This is even more true in the case of the word nigger. To offer your point as if it has any usefulness in practice is ludicrous.
  - asdasf 13y ago
    Except that is exactly what is happening in the case the article presents.
    - hackinthebochs 13y ago
      And now we're back to the original point of contention.