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I disagree completely. There is no evidence that H1-B holders are taking up low end jobs. The fact is that there are too few programmers in the US and far mor

by jamra 13y ago

I disagree completely. There is no evidence that H1-B holders are taking up low end jobs. The fact is that there are too few programmers in the US and far more jobs. The H1-B allows companies to import a slave workforce bound to the visa. Your assumption that they are merely program assemblers is insulting to everyone who holds an H1-B. Their education backgrounds are competitive with the US. If there is any correlation with H1-B holders and large corporations, it is most likely due to the willingness to sponsor H1-B visas.

blinkingled 13y ago
Well that'd be defying common logic and data. High end jobs are less in numbers almost by definition. No one I know who educated from an American university with a B.S./M.S. is taking up jobs at the consulting companies that are taking up majority of the H1-B Visas. Those people are getting the high end Google/Apple/Microsoft or startup jobs. There is no insult intended in calling lower end jobs what they are - it's just a relative distinguishing mechanism. You can hardly justify arguing that everyone that maintains a run of the mill C#/Java app should get paid a $100K in Youngstown, OH. Oh and look up real slavery before using the slave word in H1-B context.
- bubbleRefuge 13y ago
  So I work at Apple in SV. There are hoards and hoards of cube farms packed to the hilt (sometimes 3-4 people in a 8X10 cube) staffed 99% with heads from Wipro, TCS, Infosys - all Indian with zero diversity. I know pretty competent guys getting 34-40 bucks an hour with the vendor probably billing around 75-80. This is big business. With local 1BR apartments going for 2K+ and rising, how is this not slave labor? Its ridiculous. If the public could only see this. H1's should be allowed into the country as free agents and the talent should be slanted toward top coder types. Lots of these people spend their day reading log files and editing system scripts working the 10-5 schedule with an hour of lunch. We can't find American workers who can do this for say 50 bucks an hour ( split the difference)? In this economy ? Really ?
  - blinkingled 13y ago
    Believe me - the Indian companies are just another corporations wanting to make money. They couldn't care less about whether they are employing an Indian or American or a Mexican. If they could find Americans living in SV willing to work for 50$ an hour weeding through editing scripts with no future aspirations, no complaints and a girlfriend and a dog to feed - they'd do it in a heartbeat. In this economy and political situation - they just can't get enough VISAs - the rejection rate is as low as 50% and as high as 85% for some of the VISAs. Also it isn't slave labor because H1-Bs can leave and get another job of their liking or go back to their home country when they wish. This is simple demand/supply/willingness/market forces in action.
    - shiven 13y ago
      Also it isn't slave labor because H1-Bs can leave and get another job of their liking or go back to their home country when they wish. Please tell me you were born in a third-world country and that your parents wages were so low that they could barely afford to feed you and your siblings while you were growing up. And you would not mind going back because you so loved the living conditions before moving to the US that you would love your kids to grow up in a third-world country, with all its disadvantages. You, dear blinkingled, clearly have no clue what you are saying when you say what you said there.
      - blinkingled 13y ago
        What about changing jobs on H1? Is that too hard on you, shiven? Getting up and leaving for work in traffic to the same place everyday - does that bother you too?!
        shiven 13y ago
        Wanna offer me one? Perhaps you live in a part of the universe blessed with a cornucopia of jobs offers. I do not. Snark aside, did you know losing your "new" job while on an H-1B means getting kicked out of the US within 15 days? Not a very comforting thought now, is it?
- stokedmartin 13y ago
  >No one I know who educated from an American university with a B.S./M.S. is taking up jobs at the consulting companies that are taking up majority of the H1-B Visas Students who come from foreign countries for Masters' in US do end up in consultancy firms and finally need H1B, so not cent percent correct.
ojbyrne 13y ago
I've switched jobs on my H1B 4 times now. Your use of the word "slave" is fucking offensive.

by jamra 13y ago

blinkingled 13y ago

Well that'd be defying common logic and data. High end jobs are less in numbers almost by definition. No one I know who educated from an American university with a B.S./M.S. is taking up jobs at the consulting companies that are taking up majority of the H1-B Visas. Those people are getting the high end Google/Apple/Microsoft or startup jobs. There is no insult intended in calling lower end jobs what they are - it's just a relative distinguishing mechanism. You can hardly justify arguing that everyone that maintains a run of the mill C#/Java app should get paid a $100K in Youngstown, OH. Oh and look up real slavery before using the slave word in H1-B context.

bubbleRefuge 13y ago
So I work at Apple in SV. There are hoards and hoards of cube farms packed to the hilt (sometimes 3-4 people in a 8X10 cube) staffed 99% with heads from Wipro, TCS, Infosys - all Indian with zero diversity. I know pretty competent guys getting 34-40 bucks an hour with the vendor probably billing around 75-80. This is big business. With local 1BR apartments going for 2K+ and rising, how is this not slave labor? Its ridiculous. If the public could only see this. H1's should be allowed into the country as free agents and the talent should be slanted toward top coder types. Lots of these people spend their day reading log files and editing system scripts working the 10-5 schedule with an hour of lunch. We can't find American workers who can do this for say 50 bucks an hour ( split the difference)? In this economy ? Really ?
- blinkingled 13y ago
  Believe me - the Indian companies are just another corporations wanting to make money. They couldn't care less about whether they are employing an Indian or American or a Mexican. If they could find Americans living in SV willing to work for 50$ an hour weeding through editing scripts with no future aspirations, no complaints and a girlfriend and a dog to feed - they'd do it in a heartbeat. In this economy and political situation - they just can't get enough VISAs - the rejection rate is as low as 50% and as high as 85% for some of the VISAs. Also it isn't slave labor because H1-Bs can leave and get another job of their liking or go back to their home country when they wish. This is simple demand/supply/willingness/market forces in action.
  - shiven 13y ago
    Also it isn't slave labor because H1-Bs can leave and get another job of their liking or go back to their home country when they wish. Please tell me you were born in a third-world country and that your parents wages were so low that they could barely afford to feed you and your siblings while you were growing up. And you would not mind going back because you so loved the living conditions before moving to the US that you would love your kids to grow up in a third-world country, with all its disadvantages. You, dear blinkingled, clearly have no clue what you are saying when you say what you said there.
    - blinkingled 13y ago
      What about changing jobs on H1? Is that too hard on you, shiven? Getting up and leaving for work in traffic to the same place everyday - does that bother you too?!
      - shiven 13y ago
        Wanna offer me one? Perhaps you live in a part of the universe blessed with a cornucopia of jobs offers. I do not. Snark aside, did you know losing your "new" job while on an H-1B means getting kicked out of the US within 15 days? Not a very comforting thought now, is it?
stokedmartin 13y ago
>No one I know who educated from an American university with a B.S./M.S. is taking up jobs at the consulting companies that are taking up majority of the H1-B Visas Students who come from foreign countries for Masters' in US do end up in consultancy firms and finally need H1B, so not cent percent correct.

ojbyrne 13y ago

I've switched jobs on my H1B 4 times now. Your use of the word "slave" is fucking offensive.