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Two things. First, it's fine to try to stop discrimination in tech in the general sense, but it shouldn't be framed as a problem specifically with tech, doing s

by orclev 13y ago

Two things. First, it's fine to try to stop discrimination in tech in the general sense, but it shouldn't be framed as a problem specifically with tech, doing so narrows the focus to the point at which it can't actually address the general problem only very specific limited instances. Secondly, you're confusing two different issues, the gender imbalance in tech, and gender based discrimination in tech. While it's true there is a gender imbalance in tech, I do not accept that it's being caused by gender discrimination in tech. Yes, discrimination does sometimes occur, however I don't believe it's much more prevalent in tech than it is in any other industry. The gender imbalance and media stereotypes around tech have an amplifying effect, not to mention being a significant minority in any situation tends to lead to being singled out and marginalized (human nature). If you want to fix tech, then fix the media stereotypes and more importantly the poor quality of tech education in schools, the rest will work itself out as the gender imbalance is equalized. As for the more general problem on misogyny in all parts of life, I'm not sure how best to fix that, biggots of all kinds exist everywhere, I do my best to avoid them whenever possible (in the rare cases where I'm actually in charge of them I'd set them straight with what's acceptable, but that rarely happens).

wpietri 13y ago
You seem to have a lot of theories on how other people should be solving the problem. What specifically are you doing to solve the problem? To me this sounds like another version of the "you're doing it wrong" anonymous grumbling that the internet provides for pretty much anybody doing anything. I'm going to keep trying to fix tech the way I think tech should be fixed. Whether or not J. Random Commenter "accepts" my analysis of the problem isn't something I'm worried about. It's a given in pushing for societal change that most people think you're wrong in one way or another; otherwise we would already have made the change.
- orclev 13y ago
  I already told you what I was doing, which is pretty much everything I can. Being that I'm not management, don't run a company, don't have anyone reporting to me, and am generally low man on the totem pole what I can actually do is fairly limited. Further limiting that is the fact that as I said, I don't think there's anything particularly wrong with the tech industry that's actually a fault of anything the tech industry is doing and as such changing things in the industry will have no impact at all on the problem. If I was someone in charge of education policy, or had any kind of pull with the media I might be in a position to do something, but I'm not. I also can't do anything about the war in Syria, the crazy politics over in the middle east in general, or Russia's stance on gay rights, and frankly I don't see where wringing my hands about it and making a bunch of pointless rants on the internet is going to do any good either. You keep trying to fix what isn't broken while ignoring what is, just don't go harassing everyone who's trying to get things done, or get upset when everyone else thinks your nuts for tilting at windmills.

by orclev 13y ago

wpietri 13y ago

You seem to have a lot of theories on how other people should be solving the problem. What specifically are you doing to solve the problem? To me this sounds like another version of the "you're doing it wrong" anonymous grumbling that the internet provides for pretty much anybody doing anything. I'm going to keep trying to fix tech the way I think tech should be fixed. Whether or not J. Random Commenter "accepts" my analysis of the problem isn't something I'm worried about. It's a given in pushing for societal change that most people think you're wrong in one way or another; otherwise we would already have made the change.

orclev 13y ago
I already told you what I was doing, which is pretty much everything I can. Being that I'm not management, don't run a company, don't have anyone reporting to me, and am generally low man on the totem pole what I can actually do is fairly limited. Further limiting that is the fact that as I said, I don't think there's anything particularly wrong with the tech industry that's actually a fault of anything the tech industry is doing and as such changing things in the industry will have no impact at all on the problem. If I was someone in charge of education policy, or had any kind of pull with the media I might be in a position to do something, but I'm not. I also can't do anything about the war in Syria, the crazy politics over in the middle east in general, or Russia's stance on gay rights, and frankly I don't see where wringing my hands about it and making a bunch of pointless rants on the internet is going to do any good either. You keep trying to fix what isn't broken while ignoring what is, just don't go harassing everyone who's trying to get things done, or get upset when everyone else thinks your nuts for tilting at windmills.