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Talk about websites without improving their ranking

22 points by abolishme 13y ago

Noxx 13y ago
Well, that's the same like tinyurl or any other url-shortener, except that this page isn't advertised as such. Why not using the nofollow attribute[1]? It exists for this specific use-case. [1] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nofollow https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nofollow
- abolishme 13y ago
  If you refer to the "how" page, you'll see that they use noindex and nofollow, a robots.txt to discourage crawling, and a blank 403 to any crawler ignoring the robot.txt http://www.donotlink.com/dnl-how http://www.donotlink.com/dnl-how
- barryhunter 13y ago
  tinyurl and other shorteners generally use a 301 redirect, which often does pass 'link juice'. nofollow is usually under the control of the webmaster. Which may or may not be the same as the content creator. Think forums and blog comments, as poster you generally have no control if nofollow is added to links. Usually it should be, but no garentee. Also think of sites like twitter, facebook and g+, again you can't ensure that nofollow is added. Similally when that content is then copied or syndicated. You can usually hope that the copier will perserve the link itself, but they may or may not choose to 'nofollow' the copied link. And lastly, 'bad' bots, may well ignore the nofollow anyway. It would have to be broken/clever bot to get the destiniation from donotlink
AznHisoka 13y ago
I prefer to let the search engines worry whether a link is supposed to pass link juice or not. I've already given Google my fair share of information these days anyway.
- gasket 13y ago
  Google isn't worried about your site. They will drop your ranking if they think that is for the greater good. If you are going to link without nofollow then you are trusting every site you link to never do anything that even vaguely looks spammy or like paid linking. If you link to a site that pays for some links (according to google's spam algos) then you will get 'panda slapped' and recovering from that is very hard. Always use nofollow.
  - grey-area 13y ago
    It's amusing that Google is opposed to other people using paid links, when their main business is... paid links.
    - AznHisoka 13y ago
      But then they can turn around and say "Go ahead, Ban Google.com from your search engine because we have paid links". DOH! Can't win =(
  - josephjrobison 13y ago
    Do not always use nofollow. https://support.google.com/webmasters/answer/96569?hl=en https://support.google.com/webmasters/answer/96569?hl=en
trevin 13y ago
"Don't link to other sites or you'll improve their ranking. Link to mine instead" is pretty much what this site is saying. This is why Google created rel="nofollow"[1] and if you are really worried about where you pass PageRank to it is a much better alternative than linking to some random 3rd party site while passing value back to them. [1]https://support.google.com/webmasters/answer/96569?hl=en https://support.google.com/webmasters/answer/96569?hl=en
- gasket 13y ago
  Since the Panda update everybody should be using rel="nofollow" on all outbound links, otherwise you risk getting knocked back to page 100 should any of the sites you ever link to trip a flag that leads google to classify them as a spammer.
  - richardwhiuk 13y ago
    Hence Google is probably going to end up ignoring nofollow
    - powertower 13y ago
      For what it's worth, there are many indications that using more than a few no-follow links on your website 1) hurts your SEO standing, and 2) still passes Link Juice to the external website (just slightly less than its do-follow counterpart). This happened after Google discovered that people were abusing no-follow - by trying to hoard the website's weight and not sharing it with anybody.
  - joegriff 13y ago
    This is simply not true. If every outbound link on the internet was "no follow" then Google would have a very very difficult time determining how to rank websites. Links are a quality signal when used properly, so just use them properly. Don't link out to other sites using anchor text or if you've been paid to place the link and you'll be fine. If you don't want to pass any value on to a source then why are you linking to them at all? You'll pass traffic but not authority?
drdaeman 13y ago
Fails to parse http://io/ http://io/ as valid URL. Same with IDNs, http://пример.испытание/ http://пример.испытание/. Okay, that's obscure cases, but when you're writing yet another link shortener you really should know quite a bit about URIs (and IRIs). Practical problem is, service does not make distinction between http and https schemes - typing in https://example.org/ https://example.org/ yields http://www.donotlink.com/ZG http://www.donotlink.com/ZG which leads to http://example.org/ http://example.org/.
chrismonsanto 13y ago
So what happens when this site gets popular and the owner decides to 'punk' all of the other sites by turning it into a content farm? edit: or if they get hacked and the same happens
- criley2 13y ago
  Or the owner sells it to god knows who for god knows what.
- aestra 13y ago
  Hacked? More than likely they just drop the service in 10 months because they are a fly by night operation that lacks any plan? Then their domain gets picked up by a content farm.
bombita 13y ago
Why doesn't it let me put donotlink.com in the box? Rather shitty of them.

22 points by abolishme 13y ago

Noxx 13y ago

Well, that's the same like tinyurl or any other url-shortener, except that this page isn't advertised as such. Why not using the nofollow attribute[1]? It exists for this specific use-case. [1] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nofollow https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nofollow

abolishme 13y ago
If you refer to the "how" page, you'll see that they use noindex and nofollow, a robots.txt to discourage crawling, and a blank 403 to any crawler ignoring the robot.txt http://www.donotlink.com/dnl-how http://www.donotlink.com/dnl-how
barryhunter 13y ago
tinyurl and other shorteners generally use a 301 redirect, which often does pass 'link juice'. nofollow is usually under the control of the webmaster. Which may or may not be the same as the content creator. Think forums and blog comments, as poster you generally have no control if nofollow is added to links. Usually it should be, but no garentee. Also think of sites like twitter, facebook and g+, again you can't ensure that nofollow is added. Similally when that content is then copied or syndicated. You can usually hope that the copier will perserve the link itself, but they may or may not choose to 'nofollow' the copied link. And lastly, 'bad' bots, may well ignore the nofollow anyway. It would have to be broken/clever bot to get the destiniation from donotlink

AznHisoka 13y ago

I prefer to let the search engines worry whether a link is supposed to pass link juice or not. I've already given Google my fair share of information these days anyway.

gasket 13y ago
Google isn't worried about your site. They will drop your ranking if they think that is for the greater good. If you are going to link without nofollow then you are trusting every site you link to never do anything that even vaguely looks spammy or like paid linking. If you link to a site that pays for some links (according to google's spam algos) then you will get 'panda slapped' and recovering from that is very hard. Always use nofollow.
- grey-area 13y ago
  It's amusing that Google is opposed to other people using paid links, when their main business is... paid links.
  - AznHisoka 13y ago
    But then they can turn around and say "Go ahead, Ban Google.com from your search engine because we have paid links". DOH! Can't win =(
- josephjrobison 13y ago
  Do not always use nofollow. https://support.google.com/webmasters/answer/96569?hl=en https://support.google.com/webmasters/answer/96569?hl=en

trevin 13y ago

"Don't link to other sites or you'll improve their ranking. Link to mine instead" is pretty much what this site is saying. This is why Google created rel="nofollow"[1] and if you are really worried about where you pass PageRank to it is a much better alternative than linking to some random 3rd party site while passing value back to them. [1]https://support.google.com/webmasters/answer/96569?hl=en https://support.google.com/webmasters/answer/96569?hl=en

gasket 13y ago
Since the Panda update everybody should be using rel="nofollow" on all outbound links, otherwise you risk getting knocked back to page 100 should any of the sites you ever link to trip a flag that leads google to classify them as a spammer.
- richardwhiuk 13y ago
  Hence Google is probably going to end up ignoring nofollow
  - powertower 13y ago
    For what it's worth, there are many indications that using more than a few no-follow links on your website 1) hurts your SEO standing, and 2) still passes Link Juice to the external website (just slightly less than its do-follow counterpart). This happened after Google discovered that people were abusing no-follow - by trying to hoard the website's weight and not sharing it with anybody.
- joegriff 13y ago
  This is simply not true. If every outbound link on the internet was "no follow" then Google would have a very very difficult time determining how to rank websites. Links are a quality signal when used properly, so just use them properly. Don't link out to other sites using anchor text or if you've been paid to place the link and you'll be fine. If you don't want to pass any value on to a source then why are you linking to them at all? You'll pass traffic but not authority?

drdaeman 13y ago

Fails to parse http://io/ http://io/ as valid URL. Same with IDNs, http://пример.испытание/ http://пример.испытание/. Okay, that's obscure cases, but when you're writing yet another link shortener you really should know quite a bit about URIs (and IRIs). Practical problem is, service does not make distinction between http and https schemes - typing in https://example.org/ https://example.org/ yields http://www.donotlink.com/ZG http://www.donotlink.com/ZG which leads to http://example.org/ http://example.org/.

chrismonsanto 13y ago

So what happens when this site gets popular and the owner decides to 'punk' all of the other sites by turning it into a content farm? edit: or if they get hacked and the same happens

criley2 13y ago
Or the owner sells it to god knows who for god knows what.
aestra 13y ago
Hacked? More than likely they just drop the service in 10 months because they are a fly by night operation that lacks any plan? Then their domain gets picked up by a content farm.

bombita 13y ago

Why doesn't it let me put donotlink.com in the box? Rather shitty of them.