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To all the sarcastic commenters here, sounds like none of you have ever been unlawfully cuffed. I'm happy for you. If you or a loved one ever had been, you wo

To all the sarcastic commenters here, sounds like none of you have ever been unlawfully cuffed. I'm happy for you. If you or a loved one ever had been, you would be thankful that products like this exist.

lightyrs 13y ago
It's very easy for bad people who are not law enforcement to purchase and/or acquire peerless cuffs.
- tedunangst 13y ago
  It's very easy for bad people who are not law enforcement to purchase and/or acquire duct tape.
  - lightyrs 13y ago
    So your argument is that because this product does not help with every situation in which a person can be bound — it is useless? I don't understand. That's like saying that having a spare tire in your car is useless because you might overheat.
PhasmaFelis 13y ago
It seems to me that there's not a lot of cases where removing the unlawful cuffs will actually improve your situation. It seems like it's more likely to get you beaten/tazed until you stop resisting. The "mitigating mass arrests" scenario I mentioned is one where it could help, though.
- lightyrs 13y ago
  You're assuming that these cuffs are being applied by law enforcement. That's not the scenario I'm discussing.
crystaln 13y ago
Please share your experience, or at least some hypothetical scenario where this would be useful.
- brokenparser 13y ago
  Rape.
  - crystaln 13y ago
    Zombie nazi invasion!
- hellweaver666 13y ago
  Restraint by an over-zealous security guard for skateboarding or something similar.
  - crystaln 13y ago
    Is that a really a frequent enough occurrence to justify always carrying a handcuff key? I'd say that's likely to happen to your average skateboarder about once every thousand lives. You might be better off learning self defense tactics and avoiding being handcuffed in the first place. If you were manhandled enough to be handcuffed, you're unlikely to get very far with a key.
- lightyrs 13y ago
  Not my experience but rape is the scenario and it's far from hypothetical. Do a little googling if you can stomach it.
  - crystaln 13y ago
    I wonder what this calculation would yield: % of rapes involving handcuffs * % of rapes standard handcuffs used in such a way that both the keyhole and key are accessible to the hands * % of rapes where the victim is left unattended and fully clothed (presumably the key is in the clothes or keys) long enough to unlock the handcuffs * % chance of victim remembering to clip the handcuff key to their clothing * % chance escaping from handcuffs will result in a better outcome for the victim * % chance victim is not under constant intimidation and control of the perpetrator Given that the first number - rapes that involve handcuffs - seems almost undetectable and the chances of a successful beneficial escape are quite low, I'm going to say handcuff keys are the equivalent of a tin foil hat as a rape prevention tool.

lightyrs 13y ago

It's very easy for bad people who are not law enforcement to purchase and/or acquire peerless cuffs.

tedunangst 13y ago
It's very easy for bad people who are not law enforcement to purchase and/or acquire duct tape.
- lightyrs 13y ago
  So your argument is that because this product does not help with every situation in which a person can be bound — it is useless? I don't understand. That's like saying that having a spare tire in your car is useless because you might overheat.

PhasmaFelis 13y ago

It seems to me that there's not a lot of cases where removing the unlawful cuffs will actually improve your situation. It seems like it's more likely to get you beaten/tazed until you stop resisting. The "mitigating mass arrests" scenario I mentioned is one where it could help, though.

lightyrs 13y ago
You're assuming that these cuffs are being applied by law enforcement. That's not the scenario I'm discussing.

crystaln 13y ago

Please share your experience, or at least some hypothetical scenario where this would be useful.

brokenparser 13y ago
Rape.
- crystaln 13y ago
  Zombie nazi invasion!
hellweaver666 13y ago
Restraint by an over-zealous security guard for skateboarding or something similar.
- crystaln 13y ago
  Is that a really a frequent enough occurrence to justify always carrying a handcuff key? I'd say that's likely to happen to your average skateboarder about once every thousand lives. You might be better off learning self defense tactics and avoiding being handcuffed in the first place. If you were manhandled enough to be handcuffed, you're unlikely to get very far with a key.
lightyrs 13y ago
Not my experience but rape is the scenario and it's far from hypothetical. Do a little googling if you can stomach it.
- crystaln 13y ago
  I wonder what this calculation would yield: % of rapes involving handcuffs * % of rapes standard handcuffs used in such a way that both the keyhole and key are accessible to the hands * % of rapes where the victim is left unattended and fully clothed (presumably the key is in the clothes or keys) long enough to unlock the handcuffs * % chance of victim remembering to clip the handcuff key to their clothing * % chance escaping from handcuffs will result in a better outcome for the victim * % chance victim is not under constant intimidation and control of the perpetrator Given that the first number - rapes that involve handcuffs - seems almost undetectable and the chances of a successful beneficial escape are quite low, I'm going to say handcuff keys are the equivalent of a tin foil hat as a rape prevention tool.