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The reasonable outcome would not have included the pepper spraying of unarmed, seated, peaceful protesters in the eyes. Please don't whitewash this.

by pekk 13y ago

codyb 13y ago
Okay. But moving forward that's not a bad outcome.
swombat 13y ago
Shit happens everywhere. How you deal with the shit after it happens is what separates the scumbags from the good guys. Would we be so upset with Obama if the response to the NSA revelations was the firing of the NSA leadership, a solid investigation of wrongdoings, firing of those found to have been guilty of abusing their powers, and reparations to those wrongfully convicted under evidence unlawfully gathered by the NSA?
- jacquesm 13y ago
  I'm not going to hold my breath for that but it would be a very welcome change from the current responses.
fnordfnordfnord 13y ago
>The reasonable outcome would not have included the pepper spraying of unarmed, seated, peaceful protesters in the eyes. You're right. Like most crimes, it would have been better if it hadn't been committed. I was thinking specifically about UCD's response, which I still think was reasonable, and timely. Pike lost his job, that's about all that the Uni has the power to do to him, and about all they ought to have the power to do to him. I am disappointed (but not surprised) that the DA didn't charge Pike with official oppression, or something (I'm not a DA, so I don't know what charges would be appropriate or winnable.) But police brutality is a serious problem everywhere in the US, not just the UCD campus. It is difficult to get police to find fault in the behavior of police, and also difficult to get DA's to charge police with a crime. Maybe we should expect more from UCD, but I think the responsibility lies elsewhere. I don't like it when organizations (such as UCD) are able to bring substantial pressure on law enforcement organizations for direct action. I also think it is worth mentioning that less than a year passed between the incident and the settlement, which is crazy fast. UCD could have opted for the ever popular wait-them-out strategy, in which case we'd all forget about it before anything useful happened.
sigzero 13y ago
He isn't whitewashing anything. He is talking about AFTER the incident. Certainly the best scenario would have been the incident NOT happening in the first place. Since it did happen though college paid. That is what he is talking about.

The reasonable outcome would not have included the pepper spraying of unarmed, seated, peaceful protesters in the eyes. Please don't whitewash this.

by pekk 13y ago

The reasonable outcome would not have included the pepper spraying of unarmed, seated, peaceful protesters in the eyes. Please don't whitewash this.

codyb 13y ago

Okay. But moving forward that's not a bad outcome.

swombat 13y ago

Shit happens everywhere. How you deal with the shit after it happens is what separates the scumbags from the good guys. Would we be so upset with Obama if the response to the NSA revelations was the firing of the NSA leadership, a solid investigation of wrongdoings, firing of those found to have been guilty of abusing their powers, and reparations to those wrongfully convicted under evidence unlawfully gathered by the NSA?

jacquesm 13y ago
I'm not going to hold my breath for that but it would be a very welcome change from the current responses.

fnordfnordfnord 13y ago

>The reasonable outcome would not have included the pepper spraying of unarmed, seated, peaceful protesters in the eyes. You're right. Like most crimes, it would have been better if it hadn't been committed. I was thinking specifically about UCD's response, which I still think was reasonable, and timely. Pike lost his job, that's about all that the Uni has the power to do to him, and about all they ought to have the power to do to him. I am disappointed (but not surprised) that the DA didn't charge Pike with official oppression, or something (I'm not a DA, so I don't know what charges would be appropriate or winnable.) But police brutality is a serious problem everywhere in the US, not just the UCD campus. It is difficult to get police to find fault in the behavior of police, and also difficult to get DA's to charge police with a crime. Maybe we should expect more from UCD, but I think the responsibility lies elsewhere. I don't like it when organizations (such as UCD) are able to bring substantial pressure on law enforcement organizations for direct action. I also think it is worth mentioning that less than a year passed between the incident and the settlement, which is crazy fast. UCD could have opted for the ever popular wait-them-out strategy, in which case we'd all forget about it before anything useful happened.

sigzero 13y ago

He isn't whitewashing anything. He is talking about AFTER the incident. Certainly the best scenario would have been the incident NOT happening in the first place. Since it did happen though college paid. That is what he is talking about.