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I am so very proud to be at UCD right now.

by frob 13y ago

dandrews 13y ago
I'd be interested in your (and Rogaway's) take on the UCD pepper spray incident, then. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yjXcaoEAkq4 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yjXcaoEAkq4
- tptacek 13y ago
  What a nauseating comment. How hypocritical of Rogaway to take a moral stand on any issue, it implies, living as he does on land stolen from Aboriginal Americans.
  - dandrews 13y ago
    Your colorful indignation is misplaced. I imply nothing about anyone's stand on the issue of mass surveillance - didn't even address the matter. You should instead have inferred my disapproval of UCD cheerleading. Nevertheless I regret mentioning Rogaway. Upon re-reading his statement I see he footnotes his affiliation with UCD but makes no claim to represent.
- fnordfnordfnord 13y ago
  US Davis paid a little over $600k to the 21 students and fired John Pike. According to SFGate the students will receive about $30k each and a written apology from the chancellor. The ACLU will get 250k for representing the students. That sounds like a reasonable outcome to me. http://www.sfgate.com/bayarea/article/UC-Davis-pepper-sprayed-students-settle-3896116.php http://www.sfgate.com/bayarea/article/UC-Davis-pepper-spraye...
  - dandrews 13y ago
    Thank you for this followup. I'd written the Chancellor's office, but never received a reply.
  - pekk 13y ago
    The reasonable outcome would not have included the pepper spraying of unarmed, seated, peaceful protesters in the eyes. Please don't whitewash this.
    - codyb 13y ago
      Okay. But moving forward that's not a bad outcome.
    - swombat 13y ago
      Shit happens everywhere. How you deal with the shit after it happens is what separates the scumbags from the good guys. Would we be so upset with Obama if the response to the NSA revelations was the firing of the NSA leadership, a solid investigation of wrongdoings, firing of those found to have been guilty of abusing their powers, and reparations to those wrongfully convicted under evidence unlawfully gathered by the NSA?
      - jacquesm 13y ago
        I'm not going to hold my breath for that but it would be a very welcome change from the current responses.
    - fnordfnordfnord 13y ago
      >The reasonable outcome would not have included the pepper spraying of unarmed, seated, peaceful protesters in the eyes. You're right. Like most crimes, it would have been better if it hadn't been committed. I was thinking specifically about UCD's response, which I still think was reasonable, and timely. Pike lost his job, that's about all that the Uni has the power to do to him, and about all they ought to have the power to do to him. I am disappointed (but not surprised) that the DA didn't charge Pike with official oppression, or something (I'm not a DA, so I don't know what charges would be appropriate or winnable.) But police brutality is a serious problem everywhere in the US, not just the UCD campus. It is difficult to get police to find fault in the behavior of police, and also difficult to get DA's to charge police with a crime. Maybe we should expect more from UCD, but I think the responsibility lies elsewhere. I don't like it when organizations (such as UCD) are able to bring substantial pressure on law enforcement organizations for direct action. I also think it is worth mentioning that less than a year passed between the incident and the settlement, which is crazy fast. UCD could have opted for the ever popular wait-them-out strategy, in which case we'd all forget about it before anything useful happened.
  - subsystem 13y ago
    Quite cheap for undermining democracy, free speech and the right to protest.
  - YokoZar 13y ago
    When the incident occurred, the Chancellor promised to conduct an investigation that would conclude in 30 days to determine what happened. 30 days later I got an email from the Chancellor. There was no mention of the pepper spraying -- she was instead asking for money. Looking myself for the results of the investigation, it found her largely at fault for gross mismanagement of the situation. So she asked for money instead. There are major major donors to the University, the kind of people who have buildings named after them. I had heard that these people demanded the resignation of the chancellor, along with the academic senate and most of the students. She's still there, asking for donations.

I am so very proud to be at UCD right now.

by frob 13y ago

I am so very proud to be at UCD right now.

I'd be interested in your (and Rogaway's) take on the UCD pepper spray incident, then. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yjXcaoEAkq4 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yjXcaoEAkq4

tptacek 13y ago
What a nauseating comment. How hypocritical of Rogaway to take a moral stand on any issue, it implies, living as he does on land stolen from Aboriginal Americans.
- dandrews 13y ago
  Your colorful indignation is misplaced. I imply nothing about anyone's stand on the issue of mass surveillance - didn't even address the matter. You should instead have inferred my disapproval of UCD cheerleading. Nevertheless I regret mentioning Rogaway. Upon re-reading his statement I see he footnotes his affiliation with UCD but makes no claim to represent.
fnordfnordfnord 13y ago
US Davis paid a little over $600k to the 21 students and fired John Pike. According to SFGate the students will receive about $30k each and a written apology from the chancellor. The ACLU will get 250k for representing the students. That sounds like a reasonable outcome to me. http://www.sfgate.com/bayarea/article/UC-Davis-pepper-sprayed-students-settle-3896116.php http://www.sfgate.com/bayarea/article/UC-Davis-pepper-spraye...
- dandrews 13y ago
  Thank you for this followup. I'd written the Chancellor's office, but never received a reply.
- pekk 13y ago
  The reasonable outcome would not have included the pepper spraying of unarmed, seated, peaceful protesters in the eyes. Please don't whitewash this.
  - codyb 13y ago
    Okay. But moving forward that's not a bad outcome.
  - swombat 13y ago
    Shit happens everywhere. How you deal with the shit after it happens is what separates the scumbags from the good guys. Would we be so upset with Obama if the response to the NSA revelations was the firing of the NSA leadership, a solid investigation of wrongdoings, firing of those found to have been guilty of abusing their powers, and reparations to those wrongfully convicted under evidence unlawfully gathered by the NSA?
    - jacquesm 13y ago
      I'm not going to hold my breath for that but it would be a very welcome change from the current responses.
  - fnordfnordfnord 13y ago
    >The reasonable outcome would not have included the pepper spraying of unarmed, seated, peaceful protesters in the eyes. You're right. Like most crimes, it would have been better if it hadn't been committed. I was thinking specifically about UCD's response, which I still think was reasonable, and timely. Pike lost his job, that's about all that the Uni has the power to do to him, and about all they ought to have the power to do to him. I am disappointed (but not surprised) that the DA didn't charge Pike with official oppression, or something (I'm not a DA, so I don't know what charges would be appropriate or winnable.) But police brutality is a serious problem everywhere in the US, not just the UCD campus. It is difficult to get police to find fault in the behavior of police, and also difficult to get DA's to charge police with a crime. Maybe we should expect more from UCD, but I think the responsibility lies elsewhere. I don't like it when organizations (such as UCD) are able to bring substantial pressure on law enforcement organizations for direct action. I also think it is worth mentioning that less than a year passed between the incident and the settlement, which is crazy fast. UCD could have opted for the ever popular wait-them-out strategy, in which case we'd all forget about it before anything useful happened.
- subsystem 13y ago
  Quite cheap for undermining democracy, free speech and the right to protest.
- YokoZar 13y ago
  When the incident occurred, the Chancellor promised to conduct an investigation that would conclude in 30 days to determine what happened. 30 days later I got an email from the Chancellor. There was no mention of the pepper spraying -- she was instead asking for money. Looking myself for the results of the investigation, it found her largely at fault for gross mismanagement of the situation. So she asked for money instead. There are major major donors to the University, the kind of people who have buildings named after them. I had heard that these people demanded the resignation of the chancellor, along with the academic senate and most of the students. She's still there, asking for donations.