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This is not a standard terminal replacement, it's a Chrome extension providing quicker access to koding.com's vm service. Vague headline, cool product but not r

by pdenya 13y ago

This is not a standard terminal replacement, it's a Chrome extension providing quicker access to koding.com's vm service. Vague headline, cool product but not relevant to me right now.

msoad 13y ago
I thin the read Terminal for Chrome is this https://chrome.google.com/webstore/detail/secure-shell/pnhechapfaindjhompbnflcldabbghjo?utm_source=chrome-ntp-launcher https://chrome.google.com/webstore/detail/secure-shell/pnhec...
fka 13y ago
hello, koding dev there. "koding.com's vm service" provides a standard real terminal. what are your expectations? asking to make it better.
- Nursie 13y ago
  I think he meant (and I initially assumed from the headline) effectively bash in the browser, running locally.
  - fka 13y ago
    you're right, but local bash in the browser is technically not possible for now. (if you don't hack or bridge the chrome). It can be an emulator or a connector like the secure-shell app by Google in Chrome store. Terminal app provides a free and full terminal with Koding VM.
    - Nursie 13y ago
      ChromeOS has something, but I have a feeling that's the browser acting as a window manager and running the terminal from its underlying Linux OS. I do wonder what might be achievable with PNaCl... Not saying what you've done ain't cool! Just wasn't quite what I expected from the headline :)
      - jlgreco 13y ago
        For whatever it is worth, I found ChromeOS's to be trash. I used it for a weekend on my Pixel and found it very unpleasant to use. If your environment isn't restricted such that a terminal in browser is really your only option, I don't know why you would do it that way. I don't see the use.
        Nursie 13y ago
        The one that's normally available (crosh) is pretty awful, yes. The dev-mode shell available by typing "shell" in crosh is more normal. All I really want it for is ssh anyway. If anything more hardcore is needed it gets rebooted into Ubuntu mode. Haven't actually laid eyes on the pixel yet, I have a Samung ARM chromebook and I love it. Is the pixel worth the cash? And have you loaded an alternate OS yet?
        jlgreco 13y ago
        Oh, I mean I wasn't impressed with the terminal emulator itself. At least when I tried it, it seemed to have problems with some ctrl-sequences (as in, other things would get them instead of whatever I was running in the terminal emulator). I also was not very impressed with the weird cursor fading thing it does. Right now I'm running Debian Wheezy on my Pixel with a recent kernel that I built myself (the 3.0.whatever kernel Wheezy is on right now doesn't have touchpad support for the Pixel). The Pixel is only worth the cash if you have very specific use cases. First off, I don't consider it worth the price with ChromeOS at all, so you've got to put a regular distro on it. ChromeOS might be tolerable with cheaper hardware, but for what I paid for the Pixel I just can't stomach it. The hardware itself is underpowered (i5, little ram, runs hot as all hell if you start running a long build or something (seriously, I've burnt myself.)) and has very little storage, so your usage pattern should be lightweight (I've used tiling window managers instead of fancy DEs for years so that is a-okay for me.) The screen is absolutely fantastic; best thing I have ever seen, and the real reason I bought it. The screen is so good that, despite the downsides I've listed, I am very pleased with my purchase. In short: Upsides: Fantastic screen. Linus uses one, so shit works. Solid build quality. Downsides: Expensive, underpowered, can get hot as all fuck. I think Google missed the mark with the Pixel. It makes a nice tech-demo for the screen and their ability to make things out of aluminum, but it isn't something I could recommend to anyone with 'normal' usage patterns. Don't buy one unless you absolutely know a high DPI screen is what you want, and know that the specs will accommodate you.
    - comex 13y ago
      It's certainly possible to run a GNU userland on top of NaCl, though it would be highly nontrivial.
      - fka 13y ago
        i already told that it's possible but "connecting to local terminal from chrome" is not that possible. maybe you can do it over local SSH connection.
        riskable 13y ago
        Well, if you're using Chrome on Linux you can just run Gate One (https://github.com/liftoff/GateOne https://github.com/liftoff/GateOne) on your desktop and connect to https://localhost/ https://localhost/. That'll let you access SSH or whatever terminal program you like. I use it every day! (full disclosure: I wrote Gate One =D )
        fka 13y ago
        > (if you don't hack or bridge the chrome) i already said that. can you serve Gate One as Chrome Extension? No.
    - Theriac25 13y ago
      > local bash in the browser is technically not possible for now. Yes it is, and I've seen it. It was posted to HN a while (like about a year or two) ago, and could run emacs etc. It was done by emulating x86 in Javascript and then running Linux on the emulator.
      - wetmore 13y ago
        You are probably referring to the work of Fabrice Bellard? http://bellard.org/jslinux/ http://bellard.org/jslinux/
        Theriac25 13y ago
        Yes I am, thank you for the link!
        fka 13y ago
        This is an emulator. Not a real one. This 'looks like a terminal'
    - krishnasrinivas 13y ago
      local bash in the browser technically is possible without any hacks. You need to write an NPAPI browser plugin to do forkpty() and the browser-javascript can access the pseudo terminal through the NPAPI plugin.

by pdenya 13y ago

This is not a standard terminal replacement, it's a Chrome extension providing quicker access to koding.com's vm service. Vague headline, cool product but not relevant to me right now.

msoad 13y ago

I thin the read Terminal for Chrome is this https://chrome.google.com/webstore/detail/secure-shell/pnhechapfaindjhompbnflcldabbghjo?utm_source=chrome-ntp-launcher https://chrome.google.com/webstore/detail/secure-shell/pnhec...

fka 13y ago

hello, koding dev there. "koding.com's vm service" provides a standard real terminal. what are your expectations? asking to make it better.

Nursie 13y ago
I think he meant (and I initially assumed from the headline) effectively bash in the browser, running locally.
- fka 13y ago
  you're right, but local bash in the browser is technically not possible for now. (if you don't hack or bridge the chrome). It can be an emulator or a connector like the secure-shell app by Google in Chrome store. Terminal app provides a free and full terminal with Koding VM.
  - Nursie 13y ago
    ChromeOS has something, but I have a feeling that's the browser acting as a window manager and running the terminal from its underlying Linux OS. I do wonder what might be achievable with PNaCl... Not saying what you've done ain't cool! Just wasn't quite what I expected from the headline :)
    - jlgreco 13y ago
      For whatever it is worth, I found ChromeOS's to be trash. I used it for a weekend on my Pixel and found it very unpleasant to use. If your environment isn't restricted such that a terminal in browser is really your only option, I don't know why you would do it that way. I don't see the use.
      - Nursie 13y ago
        The one that's normally available (crosh) is pretty awful, yes. The dev-mode shell available by typing "shell" in crosh is more normal. All I really want it for is ssh anyway. If anything more hardcore is needed it gets rebooted into Ubuntu mode. Haven't actually laid eyes on the pixel yet, I have a Samung ARM chromebook and I love it. Is the pixel worth the cash? And have you loaded an alternate OS yet?
        jlgreco 13y ago
        Oh, I mean I wasn't impressed with the terminal emulator itself. At least when I tried it, it seemed to have problems with some ctrl-sequences (as in, other things would get them instead of whatever I was running in the terminal emulator). I also was not very impressed with the weird cursor fading thing it does. Right now I'm running Debian Wheezy on my Pixel with a recent kernel that I built myself (the 3.0.whatever kernel Wheezy is on right now doesn't have touchpad support for the Pixel). The Pixel is only worth the cash if you have very specific use cases. First off, I don't consider it worth the price with ChromeOS at all, so you've got to put a regular distro on it. ChromeOS might be tolerable with cheaper hardware, but for what I paid for the Pixel I just can't stomach it. The hardware itself is underpowered (i5, little ram, runs hot as all hell if you start running a long build or something (seriously, I've burnt myself.)) and has very little storage, so your usage pattern should be lightweight (I've used tiling window managers instead of fancy DEs for years so that is a-okay for me.) The screen is absolutely fantastic; best thing I have ever seen, and the real reason I bought it. The screen is so good that, despite the downsides I've listed, I am very pleased with my purchase. In short: Upsides: Fantastic screen. Linus uses one, so shit works. Solid build quality. Downsides: Expensive, underpowered, can get hot as all fuck. I think Google missed the mark with the Pixel. It makes a nice tech-demo for the screen and their ability to make things out of aluminum, but it isn't something I could recommend to anyone with 'normal' usage patterns. Don't buy one unless you absolutely know a high DPI screen is what you want, and know that the specs will accommodate you.
  - comex 13y ago
    It's certainly possible to run a GNU userland on top of NaCl, though it would be highly nontrivial.
    - fka 13y ago
      i already told that it's possible but "connecting to local terminal from chrome" is not that possible. maybe you can do it over local SSH connection.
      - riskable 13y ago
        Well, if you're using Chrome on Linux you can just run Gate One (https://github.com/liftoff/GateOne https://github.com/liftoff/GateOne) on your desktop and connect to https://localhost/ https://localhost/. That'll let you access SSH or whatever terminal program you like. I use it every day! (full disclosure: I wrote Gate One =D )
        fka 13y ago
        > (if you don't hack or bridge the chrome) i already said that. can you serve Gate One as Chrome Extension? No.
  - Theriac25 13y ago
    > local bash in the browser is technically not possible for now. Yes it is, and I've seen it. It was posted to HN a while (like about a year or two) ago, and could run emacs etc. It was done by emulating x86 in Javascript and then running Linux on the emulator.
    - wetmore 13y ago
      You are probably referring to the work of Fabrice Bellard? http://bellard.org/jslinux/ http://bellard.org/jslinux/
      - Theriac25 13y ago
        Yes I am, thank you for the link!
      - fka 13y ago
        This is an emulator. Not a real one. This 'looks like a terminal'
  - krishnasrinivas 13y ago
    local bash in the browser technically is possible without any hacks. You need to write an NPAPI browser plugin to do forkpty() and the browser-javascript can access the pseudo terminal through the NPAPI plugin.