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More accurately, the MUNI doesn't climb. In the nicer areas there is no light rail service, only a few filthy buses.
by grandalf 13y ago
More accurately, the MUNI doesn't climb. In the nicer areas there is no light rail service, only a few filthy buses.
- xxpor 13y agoAre you implying that public transportation causes crime?
- cshenoy 13y agoPerhaps it facilitates crime (petty theft, etc) especially considering the density of people in areas where public transportation is available.
- ar7hur 13y agoI think grandalf is implying that public transportation tends to be an attractor to some people who are more likely to commit street crimes. Notice the street. I'd say that financial crime is more likely to be done by Uber riders than bus riders in SF!
- mseebach 13y agoFinancial crime is typically committed in offices in the financial districts of cities, not at the home addresses of the offenders. These districts are typically very well connected by public transport.
- jlgreco 13y agoWho doesn't work from home on occasion? Anyway, I wager that much insider trading is done from home rather than in the office. It is safer that way.
- ZanyProgrammer 13y agoThis is only SFPD data-I'm pretty sure various federal agencies investigate a lot of the white collar crime in the Fi Di
- kyllo 13y agoIt doesn't cause crime, but it can spread street criminals to areas they might not otherwise be able to access (conveniently enough to bother).
- seldo 13y agoThere's a widely-held view that public transit is associated with higher crime rates, but it's a myth: http://www.theatlanticcities.com/commute/2012/01/transit-stations-may-actually-cut-down-crime/916/ http://www.theatlanticcities.com/commute/2012/01/transit-sta... In fact, the data shows that if anything, introducing more transit will reduce crime.
- xxpor 13y agoDing ding ding, we have a winner.
- UVB-76 13y ago> In fact, the data shows that if anything, introducing more transit will reduce crime. Careful. The provision of new or improved public transport facilities often coincides with, or precedes, the gentrification of an area. I'd hypothesize this is the more significant causal mechanism at play; ne'er-do-wells driven out of an area by higher property prices.
- grandalf 13y agoI think it's just incredibly inconvenient to get from the tenderloin to the ritzy areas of SF by public transit. You pretty much need a car or car service.
- WildUtah 13y agoWell, there are cable cars but thugs and crooks don't like to ride with tourists. There are some social lines one simply doesn't lower oneself to cross (unless mugging them directly -- that's like social justice).
- rdl 13y agoThe TL is immediately adjacent to the rity commercial area (Union Square), to the point where tourists accidentally walk there. Bayview/HP aren't even that isolated -- the T muni line goes there, along with lots of buses. At some level it's inconvenient to go anywhere in SF, but Pac Heights isn't too hard to get to by transit. The Marina is low elevation, but separated by some hills, but even that isn't inaccessible.
- baddox 13y agoPeople being at places causes crime in those places, and public transportation helps people be at places.
- xxpor 13y agoWell, fine. If you don't adjust for population density, you are correct. The more people in an area, the more crime there will be in general.
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- cmelbye 13y agoCan the light rail trains even climb up the huge hills?